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One would stop a child running into a building because as an adult one knows better than a child.
I would forcibly protect a child from running into a fire: I’m sure you would too.
Precisely!
So he knows in advance that nothing will stop the people who eventually will go to Hell from going to Hell?No, because an adult can safely guess the choice of a child in the long run.
God does not need to guess your choice about Hell, and judgement is not an emergency response.
Suicidal persons? If it's a friend, I think I would thoroughly talk to them first.
But the decision is theirs. Even if I prevented them from running into the burning building... they would run into the next burning one.
So he knows in advance that nothing will stop the people who eventually will go to Hell from going to Hell?
It can be the best stuff in the world, but if it's not conveyed correctly, the person trying to convey it has failed.There is a God. He is just not popular.
The music example shows, good "ineffective" stuff might not be most popular - but still good stuff.
And why was that your aim?The aim is issuing an invitation for anyone reading the book. Luke 14:23
Hardly seems worth bothering trying to save lives at all, does it?Suicidal persons? If it's a friend, I think I would thoroughly talk to them first.
But the decision is theirs. Even if I prevented them from running into the burning building... they would run into the next burning one.
Hypotheticals can be extremely useful in illustrating errors in reasoning.this, I suppose, is surely hypothetical... and I don't want to think about it.
1. God has infinite wisdom? I'm pretty sure that's what you believe.This is not what we believe. You assume it is.
I really do think you should reread that paragraph, and consider how thoroughly you debunked your own arguments and made my case for me.No we do not assume it is impossible for God to fail in this application, we believe effectively the opposite. That because people will use their free choice to avoid listening, as the Bible depicts people will not all know God. The current situation on earth is not a surprise or unexplained difficulty for Christians. We do not need to assume His intention, we know His desire and respect for free choice.
Since you have failed to demonstrate that my reasoning is unsound - rather the opposite - I think my conclusion stands.Since your reasoning is dependent on assumptions and misrepresentations your conclusion is unsound.
Haven't I just had Christians on this thread assuring me that God can't necessarily persuade people, and indeed doesn't particularly care to do so?Yes, if you could not persuade them to adopt a safer way of life. As God can.
We're on the sixth page, and you have yet to demonstrate the invalidity of @Larnievc 's reasoning.Invalid reasoning based on a false comparison.
One comparison: would you let a rapist into your house? To live there?
When it's clear that he didn't have a problem with raping women in the past and never repented?
Isn't letting rapists in a bit too dangerous? Wouldn't you endanger your othere housemates in letting him in? And what would the other people say if your house is a shelter for rapists who apparently don't have a problem raping people.
I've chosen this rather drastic example to bring my point across that letting people in can present a danger.
I don't want to insinuate anyone here is a rapist, though...
It is hardly running, it is not a toddler, opportunities to change direction are abundant, your direction is your choice. You go whatever way you want.
Your depiction of His respect for our preference is otherwise quite accurate.
It's most regrettable, the way Christians say that people "choose" to go to hell. It's an absurd situation, as a moment's thought will show. But they have to do it. God, as we've seen in this thread, must never, ever, ever be shown to be in the wrong. Even if you have to say the most ridiculous things like "Oh, they chose to go to eternal damnation."How does an unbeliever who doesn't believe in Hell chose Hell? Would you agree that you too are choosing Hell of Islam's religion? And if you are choosing a Muslim Hell (by believing a Christian God, a Trinity which is considered idolatry in Islam), then why would you chose a Muslim Hell? If you research it, you will find it's no better than a Christian one.
How does an unbeliever who doesn't believe in Hell chose Hell?
Hmmm. It really looks like the Christians don't want to address
"Oh, they chose to go to eternal damnation."
No, I think they are in this case.Maybe things are not always as they look.
And if you are choosing a Muslim Hell (by believing a Christian God, a Trinity which is considered idolatry in Islam), then why would you chose a Muslim Hell? If you research it, you will find it's no better than a Christian one.
Perhaps you cannot see most of the actual posts, since you also say you cannot see any replies to the OP from Christians either.No, I think they are in this case.
The appalling casualness here is on the Christians' side: "Most humans going to hell? Well, they chose to, didn't they?"No "Oh" with which you attempt to depict it as small issue I need to dismiss.
Just me saying "I believe anyone actually in Hell did indeed choose."
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