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Did Samson?Greo said:If you commit suicide, do you go to hell?
Yes but the act of suicide would mean a selfish act of rejecting God in disobedience, a direct turning away from God's love. It would be rejecting Jesus and what He has done for you, saying that Christ and what He has done is not good enough for you. Commiting suicide would be to reject God and choose self as your own idol because it would not be an act of worship to God but of complete selfishness and a disregard of God's love of sending His son to die to take away sin as you would not be accepting the life you can have in Christ but instead rejecting life in Christ through the act of destroying it. That would be rejecting Christ's salvation for you. Therefore rejecting salvation would mean going to hell.A Brethren IN CHRIST said:did God die for all sins on the cross.
did you believe on JC?
Samson did not exactly commit suicide in the way I am expressing. I would not call it suicide because he gave his life to destroy the enemy. It is the same for every soldier who goes to war to kill the enemy and die for his country. That is not suicide. A soldier who goes into action under heavy fire knows he has a good chance of not comming back. Samson knew he would not be a servivor of his own cause but he died for what he was made by God to do, to kill the enemy and be a leader for Israel. Besides who knows if Samson really went to hell or heaven. Was he saved? Did he do the right thing by God? Did he follow God's law? Did he follow the "Godly precepts" (the law and sacrifices for breaking the law) nessesary for salvation before Christ?frumanchu said:Did Samson?
Samson had a personel relationship with God.....periodGreo said:Samson did not exactly commit suicide in the way I am expressing. I would not call it suicide because he gave his life to destroy the enemy. It is the same for every soldier who goes to war to kill the enemy and die for his country. That is not suicide. A soldier who goes into action under heavy fire knows he has a good chance of not comming back. Samson knew he would not be a servivor of his own cause but he died for what he was made by God to do, to kill the enemy and be a leader for Israel. Besides who knows if Samson really went to hell or heaven. Was he saved? Did he do the right thing by God? Did he follow God's law? Did he follow the "Godly precepts" (the law and sacrifices for breaking the law) nessesary for salvation before Christ?
Greo said:Yes but the act of suicide would mean a selfish act of rejecting God in disobedience, a direct turning away from God's love. It would be rejecting Jesus and what He has done for you, saying that Christ and what He has done is not good enough for you. Commiting suicide would be to reject God and choose self as your own idol because it would not be an act of worship to God but of complete selfishness and a disregard of God's love of sending His son to die to take away sin as you would not be accepting the life you can have in Christ but instead rejecting life in Christ through the act of destroying it. That would be rejecting Christ's salvation for you. Therefore rejecting salvation would mean going to hell.
Actually, Samson specifically requested of God that he die with his enemies. Certainly it was not beyond God's ability to deliver Samson from his enemies. It sure sounds like suicide to meGreo said:Samson did not exactly commit suicide in the way I am expressing. I would not call it suicide because he gave his life to destroy the enemy. It is the same for every soldier who goes to war to kill the enemy and die for his country. That is not suicide. A soldier who goes into action under heavy fire knows he has a good chance of not comming back. Samson knew he would not be a servivor of his own cause but he died for what he was made by God to do, to kill the enemy and be a leader for Israel.
Umm...the Old Testament saints were NOT saved by keeping commandments. They were saved by faith the same as us.Besides who knows if Samson really went to hell or heaven. Was he saved? Did he do the right thing by God? Did he follow God's law? Did he follow the "Godly precepts" (the law and sacrifices for breaking the law) nessesary for salvation before Christ?
John 16:9 of sin because they believe not on mepro_odeh said:Yes, God did die for all sins, but you are not forgiven util you confess you sin!! That doesnt mean that we have to mention every little sin to Him, but we have to confess our sins in words, thoughts and actions. So i dont believe that you go to heaven when we commit suicide..
But then the question, what if we sin in the exact moment that we die? do we go to heaven then? Its partly the same question.. although suicide is taking your life, witch belongs to God, in your own hands. a clear sin!
God bless!
Van said:I think this thread poses two interesting questions. One, if a person is saved and once saved alway saved is true doctrine, then if a saved person killed himself, he would still go to heaven. But, if the person was not saved, then adding another unforgiven sin to the pile would only dig a deeper pit in hell.
Now some might assert that a saved person would not kill himself, suicide thus indicating a lack of salvation, I disagree. Saved people, especially me, can sin big time. What is unlikely in my view is that truly saved folks can sin willfully and consistently as if they did not love Jesus more than anything.
Final thought, if folks are on the "you can lose your salvation" side of the debate, which I think is a works based salvation, then these folks might believe a saved person would go to hell because they lost their salvation either by doing something bad, or doing something bad and not asking for forgiveness.
Since I am on the once saved always saved side, no committing suicide does not cause a person to go to hell, but it does present a prideful attitude - I cannot see the purpose of my life so I will end all my suffering and make others feel ashamed - that does not reflect the image of Christ.
You cannot use the word "period" unless you know for sure that I will not respond. What, in Old Testament times did it mean to have a personal relationship with God? Did he really have a "personal" relationship with God? Was his equipping of His streangth given by the spirit of God suffice for salvation? Or was there something else that in Old Testament times would ensure Samson's salvation? A relationship with God through Christ was non-existant in Old Testament times. That was the only way of having a relationship with God unless another atonment was made through sacrifices. Looking at Samson's life and actions, it is unlikely that he made these atonment sacrifices. If you have some more evidence to support your argument then I would love to hear it. Remember this is all about learning and so there is no need to respond dismissively. We are brothers in Christ.A Brethren IN CHRIST said:Samson had a personel relationship with God.....period
No. Because if you are saved then you acknowlege that when you sin, that Christ has dealt with your sin. But if God has given you life and you reject it then you are also rejecting the one (Christ) who gave new life to you. Rejecting Christ is rejecting salvation.littleapologist said:so when you sin, it infers that you have no faith, is everyone that sins going to hell?
In light of Hebrews 10:26-27, if you believe you can loose salvation then yes, you could believe that you would go to hell if you commited suicide. Because it would be an act of "deliberatly" continuing in sin. This thread is related to the "can you loose salvation" thread and could be disproved if one can not loose salvation. But in the light of the ultimate sin of blaspheming the Holy Spirit which can not be forgiven, it does sound likely that one can loose salvation. So a related topic that may have to be in a new thread would be "How do you commit the unforgivable sin?" and would the act of suicide be commiting this unforgivable sin.Van said:Your point may be that someone who commits suicide is unsaved, as the person in view in Hebrews 10:26-29 is unsaved, a person who has heard and rejected the gospel and continues to live as he did before he heard the gospel. I agree that may well be the case, folks who are alone and not connected to fellow believers in Christ, learning from them and helping them.
A Brethren IN CHRIST said:[/b]
Suicide is definitly selfish.... and out of God's will thus a sin
However
If we believe that are actions are going to save us that is works...........
good or bad does not matter its by belief eph 2:8-9
God say in Gen 6:5 that man heart is continually evil and in Gen 8:21b imagination is evil from his youth so why does God save us..
Big Question is....
Did God die for all sins
if not we all are believing in vain 1cor 15:3-4 romans 4:5
when do we get perfected when believers come face to face with Christ
Till then we all sin ....romans 3:23, 1john 1:8-10
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