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Arikay said:Or snake, same thing.
Although god cursed the snake with slithering on the ground and eating dirt, I never remember him taking away the snakes speaking ability, so that must mean snakes can talk.
Skillz151 said:Actually the 'serpent' was meant to be symbolic or a symbol for Satan... Satan has a couple of different names such as Dragon,Serpent,Devil... Observe:
Revelation 12 : 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
When God casted Him down and said you shall eat dust for the rest of your days, that simply meant that Satan (serpent) would no longer be able to leave Earth. He was then bound to this planet and no longer able to explore God's Universe...
This interpretation ignores Job. After Satan supposedly betrays God in Genesis, Satan is still God's betting buddy in Job and God trusts him enough to do his commands and nothing more! Also, do you really think that Satan went out and bred so that all snakes today are his descendents?!Skillz151 said:Actually the 'serpent' was meant to be symbolic or a symbol for Satan... Satan has a couple of different names such as Dragon,Serpent,Devil... Observe:
Revelation 12 : 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
When God casted Him down and said you shall eat dust for the rest of your days, that simply meant that Satan (serpent) would no longer be able to leave Earth. He was then bound to this planet and no longer able to explore God's Universe...
Where's that said? I never understood the connection to Satan in the OT. Revelation is the NT. The symbolism didn't occur until then, no?Skillz151 said:Actually the 'serpent' was meant to be symbolic or a symbol for Satan... Satan has a couple of different names such as Dragon,Serpent,Devil... Observe:
Revelation 12 : 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
When God casted Him down and said you shall eat dust for the rest of your days, that simply meant that Satan (serpent) would no longer be able to leave Earth. He was then bound to this planet and no longer able to explore God's Universe...
lucaspa said:What does this have to do with anything I've said?This interpretation ignores Job. After Satan supposedly betrays God in Genesis, Satan is still God's betting buddy in Job and God trusts him enough to do his commands and nothing more!What?!?!?! I don't understand what you are trying to say....Also, do you really think that Satan went out and bred so that all snakes today are his descendents?!
Ok then who was it? An actuall snake... BahahaSorry, but Revelation simply calls Satan a serpent; it doesn't mean that the serpent in Genesis 3 was Satan.
I'm lost? Sequencing the DNA of snakes?? Either A. I Don't understand what you are saying B. You don't know what you are saying or C. You're misunderstanding what I'm saying.BTW, if you really believe that, why aren't creationists sequencing the DNA of snakes. After all, you should be able to get Satan's DNA that way! Or do "heavenly beings" have DNA? Anyway, finding DNA that is totally different from other DNA on earth would go a long way to "proving" this version of creationism, wouldn't it?[/
Please clarify.... I'm not saying that it was an ACTUAL SNAKE. I'm saying that the 'serpent' is Satan. The serpent symbolizes Satan.. Just as the Dragon symbolizes Satan. Not that Satan is an actual snake or an actual dragon.
MQTA said:Where's that said? I never understood the connection to Satan in the OT. Revelation is the NT. The symbolism didn't occur until then, no?
Then if the serpent was a symbol then maybe the tree of life was a symbol also.. and maybe Adam and Eve where symbols also. Thank you for defending our pointPlease clarify.... I'm not saying that it was an ACTUAL SNAKE. I'm saying that the 'serpent' is Satan. The serpent symbolizes Satan.. Just as the Dragon symbolizes Satan. Not that Satan is an actual snake or an actual dragon.
Hi. I am 2)Dazed and confused, and 3)too lazy to study the Hebrew language. But quite happy to read the work of lots of other people who have studied and learnt Hebrew. There are so many good resources out there now. Even some good ones that look not only at the Hebrew language employed in Genisis 1, but also look at the cultural understanding of what Narrative, story, faith and theology had to do with each other. Personally, I tend towards the 1 day thing, but there are some very very good cases to be made out there for the idea that a scientific understanding of creation was not the intention of the writers. Yeah, thats what I believe. No I don't, I think that common near middle eastern myth of formlessness and void as part of the great cosmic battle suggest a gap between v1 and v2. NO Wait, it because of the words used Bara and the other one, yeah, 1 day, thats what I believe.jobob said:ANYONE, and Ill confirm Im saying this .....ANYONE........, who tries to say that Genesis 1 is refering to ANYTHING other than single earth-rotation days is either; 1) bold-faced lying; 2) dazed and confused; 3) too lazy to study the Hebrew and the language in Genesis 1.......
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ANYONE who tries to say that the serpent in Genesis is ANYTHING other than a serpent is either 1) bold-faced lying 2) dazed and confused 3) too lazy to read the book.Skillz151 said:Actually the 'serpent' was meant to be symbolic or a symbol for Satan... Satan has a couple of different names such as Dragon,Serpent,Devil... Observe:
Revelation 12 : 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
When God casted Him down and said you shall eat dust for the rest of your days, that simply meant that Satan (serpent) would no longer be able to leave Earth. He was then bound to this planet and no longer able to explore God's Universe...
God trusts him? God is only going to send one (1) angel to bind satan in chains and throw him into the bottomless pit. I do not think it is so much a question of trust as it is perdictability. That is why you are either in or out with God. He does not allow people to sit on the fense very long. The reason being is he can not perdict what someone will do if they are in and out back and forth with Him. That is why people need to fully commit, and be all the way in with God. Otherwise they may find themselves on the outside looking in.lucaspa said:Satan is still God's betting buddy in Job and God trusts him enough to do his commands
Interesting how people are "too lazy" to read the book.Nathan Poe said:1) bold-faced lying 2) dazed and confused 3) too lazy to read the book.
Yes, God trusts Satan in the book of Job. God sends Satan out to deprive Job of all his property. Then later God sends Satan out to hurt Job but not to kill him. Both times God is trusting Satan not to exceed God's wishes!JohnR7 said:God trusts him? God is only going to send one (1) angel to bind satan in chains and throw him into the bottomless pit.
Well, that doesn't apply if Satan is the serpent in Eden. So you have made one more argument that the serpent is not Satan. After all, the serpent is out in Genesis 3, but Satan is in in Job. So, by your logic, John, the serpent can't possibly be Satan.That is why you are either in or out with God.
I think a better interpretation would be that God knows Satan can't do anything outside God's command. God's will is worked no matter what. And God wasn't just on the throne in heaven, he was down in the house with Job, too. Satan knew this; he couldn't get away with anything.God trusts Satan in the book of Job
Simple. Death is not the "evil" you make it out to be. Death is simply part of life. You are born and the second law of thermodynamics guarantees that you will die sometime.the_cloaked_crusader said:[randomly posting]
A better question would be how someone could call God "loving" and "just", and yet have millions of years of death and mayhem and natural selection before man even exists, let alone sins . . .
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Not according to a literal reading of Job. God sits up in heaven and Satan is the one wandering about on earth. If Satan had wanted the sores to kill Job, there's nothing in the text of Job to suggest Satan could not have done that. As I said, Satan is God's betting buddy there, not the betrayer of the serpent in Genesis 3.the_cloaked_crusader said:I think a better interpretation would be that God knows Satan can't do anything outside God's command. God's will is worked no matter what. And God wasn't just on the throne in heaven, he was down in the house with Job, too.
Was Augustine bold-faced lying, dazed and confused, or too lazy to study the Hebrew?jobob said:ANYONE, and Ill confirm Im saying this .....ANYONE........, who tries to say that Genesis 1 is refering to ANYTHING other than single earth-rotation days is either; 1) bold-faced lying; 2) dazed and confused; 3) too lazy to study the Hebrew and the language in Genesis 1.
So the six days and order of creation are literal, but the serpent is symbolic. Gotcha.Skillz151 said:Actually the 'serpent' was meant to be symbolic or a symbol for Satan
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