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And I see your way of thinking as someone who mindlessly without any thinking on his part follows other people. That doesn't mean that it's nice to say that to other people, so I kindly ask you not to do that anymore. And F**k off with that last part, because for the last time:Follower of Christ said:And whether you agree with it or not, I see evolution as a heathen teaching anyway....
It serves no purpose but to cuase God fearing believers to slowly start rejecting the truths in the Bible
And as I've noticed before, your "objection" has nothing to do with whether evolution is accurate or not.Follower of Christ said:And whether you agree with it or not, I see evolution as a heathen teaching anyway....
Mistermystery (and everyone else) has addressed this bit of nonsense already. Evolution != Atheism.It serves no purpose but to cuase God fearing believers to slowly start rejecting the truths in the Bible
Just what Bible school is it that teaches this?Frumious Bandersnatch said:[/font]Yep, they tell us that the earth is fixed in space and the sun goes around it daily,
I didn't say that any Bible College teaches geocentrism. I said geocentrism is clearly what the Bible teaches.JohnR7 said:Just what Bible school is it that teaches this?
Most pastors I know, go to Bible school for at least 2 years, if not longer.
So I was wondering just what school it was, that is teaching this.
Oh, so you know more about the Bible than a Bible school graduate. Well according to that way of thinking, then I could know more about science than a science school graduate. Even though what I profess to believe is not taught in any school of science anywhere in the country.Frumious Bandersnatch said:I didn't say that any Bible College teaches geocentrism. I said geocentrism is clearly what the Bible teaches.
I know what I observe which is this. The sites such as the one I pointed out show that a straightforward reading of the verses clearly indicates geocentrism. The modern literalist who tries to deny geocentrism must resort to saying things like "well that's just a figure of speech". "The verses that say the earth is immovable don't really mean that the earth is not moving. They're just poetry"JohnR7 said:Oh, so you know more about the Bible than a Bible school graduate. Well according to that way of thinking, then I could know more about science than a science school graduate. Even though what I profess to believe is not taught in any school of science anywhere in the country.
Second, I say that, as you know, the Council [of Trent] prohibits interpreting Scripture against the common consensus of the Holy Fathers; and if Your [Reverence] wants to read not only the Holy Fathers, but also the modern commentaries on genesis, the Psalms, Ecclesiastes, and Joshua, you will find all agreeing in the literal interpretation that the sun is in heaven and turns around the earth with great speed, and that the earth is very far from heaven and sits motionless at the center of the world. Consider now, with your sense of prudence, whether the Church can tolerate giving Scripture a meaning contrary to the Holy Fathers and to all the Greek and Latin commentators. Nor can one answer that this is not a matter of faith, since if it is not a matter of faith "as regards the topic," it is a matter of faith "as regards the speaker"; and so it would be heretical to say that Abraham did not have two children and Jacob twelve, as well as to say that Christ was not born of a virgin, because both are said by the Holy Spirit through the mouth of the prophets and the apostles.
........I add that the one who wrote, "The sun also riseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose," was Solomon, who not only spoke inspired by God, but was a man above all others wise and learned in the human sciences and in the knowledge of created things; he received all this wisdom from God; therefore it is not likely that he was affirming something that was contrary to truth already demonstrated or capable of being demonstrated.
That is nonsense. You twist the meaning of the Bible, then you try to call it a "straightforward" reading.Frumious Bandersnatch said:The sites such as the one I pointed out show that a straightforward reading of the verses clearly indicates geocentrism.
Then by all means, Falsify his claim. I'm sure that he won't mind to learn.JohnR7 said:Oh, so you know more about the Bible than a Bible school graduate. Well according to that way of thinking, then I could know more about science than a science school graduate. Even though what I profess to believe is not taught in any school of science anywhere in the country.
Really. How is it twisting the meaning to say that stopping the sun means stopping the sun not the rotation of the earth?JohnR7 said:That is nonsense. You twist the meaning of the Bible, then you try to call it a "straightforward" reading.
2 Peter 3:16
as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
You could critique it if you took the time. To start off there is no quantum medium.Follower of Christ said:Im not typing out a page for your enjoyment....
I will however do what you all do and give you a link
http://www.peterallport.com/gravity.htm
study up........its on the test
and maybe you can critique that site for me while youre at it
This is from Strong's Lexicon for the word, almah, used in Isaiah:Follower of Christ said:But how do you dispute the OTs Masoretic text that says virgin
Why are you trying to read Genesis 1 as literal history to begin with? Especially when the text tells you not to?Follower of Christ said:Honestly, I tried and tried after I got saved to push that tripe in......it just doesnt fit so I just had to pretend it didnt matter and ignore Genesis altogether...
I would read thru Genesis 1 very quickly and then try to throw the ''day is as 1000 years''' thing in to try to convince myself that it could be any amount of time.....
Then it is someone else's theory that you are repeating as tho it is accurate. Didn't you test the theory that Satan was speaking thru the serpent by looking at the text to support or refute it?JohnR7 said:No, it is not really my theory, just something I heard somewhere.
And this is out-of-context. God tells Cain this right after Cain brings an offering of the "fruit of the ground" and God has arbitrarily rejected it in favor of Cain's offering. I take this to mean that we must accept what God has done whether we agree with it or not.For us really I think what God said to Cain is important.
Genesis 4:7
If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it."
Is this how you took the simile? John! see the words "like a"? This has nothing to do with Satan working thru lions! It is giving a description of the devil by comparing him to one characteristic of lions!1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.
Do you think satan can work through lions to?
You already took us there, John. What, are you now scared you can't back up your ad hominen? You said Satan was speaking thru people on this board. Since you've taken us here, John, put your money where your character assassination is.JohnR7 said:Wow lucaspa, do you really want to go there? We could if you want.
There are several different words that Strong's lists as being "adversary". http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?search=adversary&version=kjv&type=eng&submit=FindSmidlee said:Hedge is put around something to protect it from adversary and since Job belong to God, he did blessed Job . satan means "adversary".
It doesn't line up with Job, where Satan does not have authority. All Satan's authority in Job comes from God. He has none of his own.of course the scriptures tells us more about this adversary thoughout the bible yet this teaching line up with satan has authority on this earth.
I don't see that. List them, please. The serpent offers only one temptation: knowing good and evil.this is also an underlining truth in Genesis as well since mankind has fallen from the position which god place him. in fact the three temption satan tried to uses againest Jesus are exactly the same he used on Eve.
Job is a lab rat in the story. I've given you the verses where the bet is given and the experiment starts. So it is a little late to deny that this is in the book."The evolution of satan" must have said something about God had a bet with satan or all this is some kind of experiment like a scientist does to a lab rat since it no where seen to be found in Job.
Walk us thru the verses that you think supports your point, please.God can and will use man's and satan's own judgments againest themselves as these is something even Job clearly testified. ( which it one of many truths reveal in this book)
Alright, this is going too far.Mistermystery said:And I see your way of thinking as someone who mindlessly without any thinking on his part follows other people. That doesn't mean that it's nice to say that to other people, so I kindly ask you not to do that anymore. And F**k off with that last part, because for the last time:
EVOLUTION DOES NOT MEAN ATHEISM
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