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Now that I agree with.UberLutheran said:...then LIVE the Gospel -- and if necessary, use words.
People will always be more attracted to someone who "walks his talk" than someone who merely promotes his "walk". [/size][/font]
So, you don't think New Testament Christians believed in a literal, eternal place of torment? Does it take a super scholar to figure that out?UberLutheran said:Have you read the words in the original language, in the original context, in the political, social, religious, cultural, and linguistic context of the period in which they were written?
THAT is why Biblical scholars spend their entire lives studying the Scriptures in such incredible detail -- to determine exactly WHAT "the words" really mean.
To be free from sin is to be free from death, thefore to be free from sin means to have life without end.techjedi said:Goes along with what I was about to say....
"Where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth..." is more of an allusion to the suffering and violence that occurs in the world. Being a part of God's kingdom, the one Jesus established and continues in the here and now, is a way of life that promotes the opposite - love, service, care. You can escape the destructive cycle by becoming a servant in God's kingdom.
Recieved said:Not according to what Jesus said in John 17:3. He stated that eternal life is knowing God. He reveals that "eternal" predicates "life" in a sense of quality, not quantity. That's all there is to it.
Job's body was destroyed. The entire book is ripe with examples of how his body was afflicted. Shall we look to the Old Testament scholars?
That's all. You cannot prove it from scripture, and as a matter of fact, scripture states clearly that mercy is justice, in Psalm 62:12 where it is stated that God in his love or mercy rewards a man according to his deeds.
Actually this is incorrect; it states that they will be resurrected -- or how else would they be standing before the white throne? Nonetheless, this doesn't prove your case. The universalist says, why yes, this scripture is true, but the word for "eternal" here -- often falsely translated as everlasting -- means that they will find rehabilitation in their punishment, just as I revealed to you in Matthew 25 with Barclay's statement regarding the greek word for "punishment", when used in all other forms of greek literature, signifying rehabilitation.
theseed said:1) if there is not a hell, then how do you explain God's mercy? Why does God have mercy on us? How does God have mercy? How can God hold something we deserve if it does not exist?
2) If the wages of sin is death, and there is no death or hell (Rev. 1.18), then, why doe we need Christ? Why did Christ die on a cross? Why do we have to believe in Jesus? How can we perish if there is no hell (John 3.16)? How can the lake of fire be for ever and ever if it does not exist?
theseed said:To be free from sin is to be free from death, thefore to be free from sin means to have life without end.
theseed said:1) if there is not a hell, then how do you explain God's mercy?
karenmarie said:I have questioned the idea of hell ALOT!! I dont know the answer!! We won't know till we die!! there are a few possibilities in my mind:
1 hell is only temporary
2 Hell is eternal separation from God
3 there is no hell
4 Hell is where people burn for eternity
Could be any of the above...i personally hope that 1 or 3 is correct!! But we'll find out someday! If number 4 is correct i just pray i dont end up there!!
karen
Charlie V said:If there is a hell, God has no mercy.
The seed has asked this question before, and I've replied to it. The questions seem to be copy/pasted from elsewhere, as he asked them identically elsewhere.
This first question--I don't know how any question could be so non-sequetor. That's like asking, "If the sky is not green, how do you explain the sky's blueness?" Or like asking, "If cars are not immovable objects, how do you explain the fact that they speed by us?"
A question that would make much more sense would be, "if there is a hell, then how do you explain God's mercy?"
Clearly, hell would mean that God has no mercy. The question the seed asked makes no sense at all.
Charlie
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