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cntrygrlluvsJesus05 · Aug 12, 2005

I don't want to view a clip that I have seen all over the place. Her Son died because he was fighting to help another country out.

BeamMeUpScotty said:
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]One Mother's Stand[/font]

Play the file from Crawford, Texas.

hippie · Aug 12, 2005

INFALLIBLE said:
I kow why many of my classmates joined the military as well so that they could actually pay for school as they were not rich kids and tuition is so high they couldnt even make it with financial aide...were you in the military?
Seems IMO a very callouse and opinionated statement.

I can't stand it! If one more "edited by poster" complains about people joining the military to pay for a college education I'm going start throwing donuts!!! Anyone with two (2) brain cells that can be rubbed together to generate a spark should realise that joining the military has certain, fundamental risks; not the least of which is that if there is a war you may have to fight and die in it! If you're not willing to take that risk then STAY OUT OF THE MILITARY! What is so freakin' hard to understand!?!

As for paying for college, I realise that while a Community College may not be as glamorous or as exciting as a University (and not nearly as much fun since most community colleges don't have frats/sororiteis/on campus housing) they are significantly cheaper and the education is just as good!

Billnew · Aug 12, 2005

Halruaa said:
I love how the arguments here include "the troops volunteered to sign up and fight". Sure, but that doesnt mean they are worthless meatbags that should be sent into any ridiculous conflict our administration deem 'fit'. .

When you sign up, you accept that you will go in to battle for any reason the leaders decide . So basically, the soldier doesn't get to choose.

Halruaa said:
Iraq was not a threat to our security. They had no WMD's. Sure they had a horrible leader, but to use Saddam Hussein as reason for our invasion makes you guys look like hypocrites. Unless of course, you fully support an immediate invasion and removal of other evil dictators of power. Like Fidel Castro, and Kim Jong Il. Do you?.

Monday morning quarterbacks, can always score big. Intel from the U.S.,Isreal, England and the UN, said they had WMD's. They had storage for WMD's, they had sterilized factories, capable of making wmd's,they had over a year to hide or get rid of any items they weren't suppose to have. And plenty of time to kill those that knew anything about them. they used WMD's on thier own people, if it quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck,
sometimes it might be a cat-bird.

Halruaa said:
Our soldiers ask not to be put in harms way unless absolutely necessary. And guess what, George W. Bush spit that their in face. This war wasnt necessary, and it's made a mockery out of the US of A.

Ask our men and women in the war zones, Bush is well liked. The people they are afraid of are the News(for showing the worst of Iraq) and the politicians
pointing out isolated problems and saying we need to get our troops out.

The only way we can lose this war, is by public opinion. We have overthrown a blood thirsty dictator that ignored all requirements agreed upon in the surrender during the first Gulf war. We have less causilties in this war then any large scale single battle in history. We are well on our way to getting the
People of Iraq to set up a new elected (freely) goverment.

There is daily bombings from our enemies(alqueda) and from enemies of Iraq(Iran, Saudi arabia,etc) trying to break the resolve of the coalition and the Iraqi people. The Iraqi people have more at stake thus have more resolve,
so the coalition is the weakest link. If they cower and fail then Iraq will fail, and all the men and women that have died for Iraqs freedom will have been for not. Public opinion defeats the U.S. and the Coalition forces?
Either they died for Iraq's fredom, or died for nothing.

So, next election, think about who you want in office, but until Iraq takes charge of itself, we will be there.

side note: "We fought the war in Iraq for oil"=we wanted to pay $3 a gallon?

Buckeye · Aug 12, 2005

I would support military action against N. Korea, Syria, Iran, Cuba and anyone else this president chooses to take the fight to.

tiggercat · Aug 12, 2005

Buckeye said:
I would support military action against N. Korea, Syria, Iran, Cuba and anyone else this president chooses to take the fight to.

why, why would you support the president bringing war to whomever he chooses, or do you not mean that literally?

one love · Aug 12, 2005

Wow, I am no longer human.

Her anger should be with her son. There are certain obvious risk in certain jobs, such as military or cop.

PraetorTemplar · Aug 12, 2005

HIstory teaches us that nonviolent resistance doesnt work , just look at the jews in ww2 who resisted nonviolently , they where slotered , things would have ben differant if the 11 million killed in the camps where armed

Luke 22:26 He who is without sword let him sell his garmets and buy 1

BeamMeUpScotty · Aug 12, 2005

PraetorTemplar said:
HIstory teaches us that nonviolent resistance doesnt work , just look at the jews in ww2 who resisted nonviolently , they where slotered , things would have ben differant if the 11 million killed in the camps where armed

Luke 22:26 He who is without sword let him sell his garmets and buy 1

You show true Christian compassion. Martin Luther King, Jr. and Ghandi achieved nothing?

Praise2God · Aug 12, 2005

Halruaa said:
I love how the arguments here include "the troops volunteered to sign up and fight". Sure, but that doesnt mean they are worthless meatbags that should be sent into any ridiculous conflict our administration deem 'fit'.

Iraq was not a threat to our security. They had no WMD's. Sure they had a horrible leader, but to use Saddam Hussein as reason for our invasion makes you guys look like hypocrites. Unless of course, you fully support an immediate invasion and removal of other evil dictators of power. Like Fidel Castro, and Kim Jong Il. Do you?

Our soldiers ask not to be put in harms way unless absolutely necessary. And guess what, George W. Bush spit that their in face. This war wasnt necessary, and it's made a mockery out of the US of A.

Hey, let me join in as not human, too. Why is everybody having fun except me?

BTW, you are right about "worthless meatbags." I thought the war in the Kosovo was worthless meatbags, too. HEHEHE.

Praise2God · Aug 12, 2005

hippie said:
I can't stand it! If one more "edited by poster" complains about people joining the military to pay for a college education I'm going start throwing donuts!!! Anyone with two (2) brain cells that can be rubbed together to generate a spark should realise that joining the military has certain, fundamental risks; not the least of which is that if there is a war you may have to fight and die in it! If you're not willing to take that risk then STAY OUT OF THE MILITARY! What is so freakin' hard to understand!?!

As for paying for college, I realise that while a Community College may not be as glamorous or as exciting as a University (and not nearly as much fun since most community colleges don't have frats/sororiteis/on campus housing) they are significantly cheaper and the education is just as good!

Funny isn't it? It is like signing up for sky diving except, if you listen to these illogical ramblings from the left, they rather not assume any of the risk accompany it i.e. chute not operating correctly.

staugustine68 · Aug 13, 2005

Norseman said:
Hey the military is low on recruits these days, why don't you sign your son up? They could use more feet on the ground.

No son here, and if I did, yes, I would want (not force) him to fight for your freedom and safety.

p.s. - just show's how much you know

staugustine68 · Aug 13, 2005

tiggercat said:
Is it never appropriate to question war? Why?

The answer is quite obvious.

staugustine68 · Aug 13, 2005

Buckeye said:
I would support military action against N. Korea, Syria, Iran, Cuba and anyone else this president chooses to take the fight to.

Don't forget to add France and Canada

tiggercat · Aug 13, 2005

staugustine68 said:
The answer is quite obvious.

Well consider me obviously challeneged and explain to me why?

mutantleader · Aug 14, 2005

staugustine68 said:
Don't forget to add France and Canada

Yeah, those Canadians are to close to our borders.

ClaireZ · Aug 14, 2005

I grieve for this woman and her son, and all those others who have lost loved ones, or had loved ones maimed in Iraq.

I was against us going there, and I am against us staying there. Her son believed diffrently as does mine. Her son choose to serve, as my child also choose to serve.

I honor the service of all these young men and women.

I can understand her grief, and her need to express it, I am just not sure she has choosen the best way. However, I support her right to protest what she sees as an injustice, as she is an American citizen, and is just excerising her right.

night2day · Aug 14, 2005

INFALLIBLE said:
I kow why many of my classmates joined the military as well so that they could actually pay for school as they were not rich kids and tuition is so high they couldnt even make it with financial aide...

And...do those entering the militery for the sole purpose of merely gaining funds for college not think once they would be called into active service? And why bring rich or poor into this when it doesn't have any bearing?

It's called the United States Armed Forces for a reason. The ones complaining they didn't expect that maybe a war would be declared on the U.S. and they would need to be deployed must have had their heads in the clouds.

If the complaints were legitament regarding the need for more solid and durable equipment, troop rotation, government and public support, then I would agree.

But, not the "...I thought I was just working for college tuition". That makes as much sense as tossing oneself into a the "Muddy Mississippi" and not expecting to get drenched.

It's not a safe world out there. It never was. Whether Bush made a right or wrong call A Comander-in-Chief is not the issue at the moment. People can debate his actions for ages to come. The issue here I see revolves around knowing what one is getting into before signing up and volunteering for the Service. And when one signs up, they say they do.

Life is about choices made. Not about playing blame-games.

night2day · Aug 14, 2005

BeamMeUpScotty said:
This woman is seeking publicity, I agree, but she has a legitimate cause. Even if you disagree with her, she's using free speech to get her cause heard and that's her right. How many of you have sat in a ditch in the heat for days on end to further a cause? I haven't.

Why aren't people disturbed by the fact that Bush can't answer the question "What is one mistake you've made?"? Nobody expects the man to be perfect, but we should expect him to be accountable.

Legitiment cause?

In a recent AP article that can be found at Yahoo! the mother herself stated she remained silent regarding her opinions and her thoughts until her son, who had freely and willingly choosen to be within the military, had died. It's only now, when it hits close to home that she's speaking out. By her actions it appears as if it's more a combination of trying to play the blame-game while continues using the memory of her son for political motives.

She was also quoted as mentioning she had seperated from her husband as if that should factor into somewhere into the article. I understand the woman is grieving. However, I don't doubt she's being used at one of her most vulnerable times in her life by others who would sooner discard her when she's no longer useful to them.

Since she made public her private life, I think it's best she reconcile with her husband and they both greive together instead of apart. And hopefully begin meding a broken family.

Enough of using their son's name and image as a posterboy. For all they know they could be dishonering him in the worst way imaginable.

Fantine · Aug 14, 2005

Have you ever lost a child?

How many of you are parents?

I have never lost a child, but I have been a parent for 30 years. If any of my three children were to die in a foreign conflict, I would need to know that they had died for a reason, and that their sacrifice had purpose and meaning.

Mothers become mobilized by grief. Look at the women who started MADD (Mothers Against Driving Drunk.) It's not publicity that hounds them. It's the desire to make sure that no other parent ever loses her child in the same sad way.

It is their way of dealing with their grief and getting closure.

It is often the people who are well-insulated from having to make personal sacrifices who feel that the grieving should just 'suck it up.'

I think that sometimes people look at other people as being on different planes of humanity. They think that if a person has lived with hard luck all her life that it doesn't hurt as much to lose a child, because, after all, they don't have the expectation of good things.

If the child of a wealthy person dies in a skiing accident or a private plane crash, they are much more sympathetic, because they know that the parent of the child who dies in a skiing accident never had the expectation that life could be so cruel.

Losing a child hurts as much whether you have one child or ten, whether you are rich or poor, whether you are living in a hut in Africa cradling that starving baby in your arms or whether you are sending out your last care package to Iraq.

ClaireZ · Aug 14, 2005

Fantine said:
Have you ever lost a child?

How many of you are parents?

I have never lost a child, but I have been a parent for 30 years. If any of my three children were to die in a foreign conflict, I would need to know that they had died for a reason, and that their sacrifice had purpose and meaning.

Mothers become mobilized by grief. Look at the women who started MADD (Mothers Against Driving Drunk.) It's not publicity that hounds them. It's the desire to make sure that no other parent ever loses her child in the same sad way.

It is their way of dealing with their grief and getting closure.

It is often the people who are well-insulated from having to make personal sacrifices who feel that the grieving should just 'suck it up.'

I think that sometimes people look at other people as being on different planes of humanity. They think that if a person has lived with hard luck all her life that it doesn't hurt as much to lose a child, because, after all, they don't have the expectation of good things.

If the child of a wealthy person dies in a skiing accident or a private plane crash, they are much more sympathetic, because they know that the parent of the child who dies in a skiing accident never had the expectation that life could be so cruel.

Losing a child hurts as much whether you have one child or ten, whether you are rich or poor, whether you are living in a hut in Africa cradling that starving baby in your arms or whether you are sending out your last care package to Iraq.

Lovely Post, and I thank you for it.

Every person responds to grief differently, and until we are in this mother's shoes we have no right to pass judgement on her.

Even if we feel that she is wrong, surely we can understand that in her state we might not have made the best decisions either.

I know a mother with 5 children, 4 of whom were boys. She is a wonderful Christian woman, who trusts God, reads her Bible and prays.

She lost her eldest son at 19 in a motorcycle accident. No one's fault, he fell asleep on his bike, and drove it under a truck, returning from a Bible college where he had been visiting his fiancee.

She has kept his room untouched now, for over 20 years. Her family, especially her children have suffered from neglect, because she spends alot of time in her son's room, reading her Bible. praying and sleeping there, alone in the dark. She has missed out on all the family events over the years, she has missed out on any possiblility of joy. Her and her family have lost so much.

Has she gone a bit insane from grief? Has she stopped trusting God? Is her behavior rational. I doubt that it is. But I have not lost a child, so I would not judge her. All I can do is try to pray for her and her family.

Sometimes grief is not rational, and sometimes no matter what we say, we don't know how we would respond until it happens to us.

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