If you aren't moved by this, you are not human

BeamMeUpScotty · Aug 12, 2005

419gam said:
Its not like there is a draft her son could have stayed home. Its sad, but not unexpected that her son could die in combat.

I agree with the fact that he joined of his own free will. Doesn't it bother anyone that he was sent to die on lies? He's dead because BushCo lied to the world. Iraq was not a threat, had now WMDs, etc... Why doesn't anyone raise a cry about these things?

CHARLES H · Aug 12, 2005

BeamMeUpScotty said:
I agree with the fact that he joined of his own free will. Doesn't it bother anyone that he was sent to die on lies? He's dead because BushCo lied to the world. Iraq was not a threat, had now WMDs, etc... Why doesn't anyone raise a cry about these things?

to say iraq was not a threat is a understatement. you know he led a very dangerous regime. any president would have reacted the same way. put wmd's aside( btw i believe he had them but thats another argument for another day) iraq and iran are very unstable countries in a region that has to be stable. our economy runs off oil pure and simple. if that region became unstable our economy would suffer. the boy signed up and took a oath to protect america even our way of life. btw if men and women like him had not givin thier all you would not be enjoying the freedoms you have right now. btw have you ever served in the military?

Rik · Aug 12, 2005

BeamMeUpScotty said:
I agree with the fact that he joined of his own free will. Doesn't it bother anyone that he was sent to die on lies? He's dead because BushCo lied to the world. Iraq was not a threat, had now WMDs, etc... Why doesn't anyone raise a cry about these things?

If you want to argue the case of whether or not he lied, did you really need to start another thread for it? I think there's about 276 currently open where that's being argued.

By the way, why wasn't there such a protest against President Clinton for the soldiers that were killed in Somalia? Somalia had no WMDs and certainly wasn't a threat to the US...

CHARLES H · Aug 12, 2005

Rik said:
If you want to argue the case of whether or not he lied, did you really need to start another thread for it? I think there's about 276 currently open where that's being argued.

By the way, why wasn't there such a protest against President Clinton for the soldiers that were killed in Somalia? Somalia had no WMDs and certainly wasn't a threat to the US...

clinton was'nt a democrat. what are you thinking? that would be equal treatment

Geezerjohn · Aug 12, 2005

Put me in the not human catagory too. Her son showed 20 times the character that she does.

crossrunner · Aug 12, 2005

<-------Crossrunner.

I'm very sorry that this happened to her son but her actions are not at all honoring the sacrifice he made for his country.

tiggercat · Aug 12, 2005

crossrunner said:
I'm very sorry that this happened to her son but her actions are not at all honoring the sacrifice he made for his country.

Why and what in your opinion would honor his sacrifice? Should she just go along with the program or are you saying this approach imparticular is not a good one?

Norseman · Aug 12, 2005

staugustine68 said:
She should be thankful that the USA considered her son worthy in fighting for our freedom. I know I would be.

Hey the military is low on recruits these days, why don't you sign your son up? They could use more feet on the ground.

NothingButTheBlood · Aug 12, 2005

Norseman said:
Hey the military is low on recruits these days, why don't you sign your son up? They could use more feet on the ground.

This is a volunteer army. No one is forced to go or sign up.

VickiY · Aug 12, 2005

I am moved...to disgust. This woman is not honoring her son's memory by such conduct. Our troops volunteered to fight for our country if needed. They did not volunteer to fight for our country only if they personally agreed with what we were doning. As the daughter and sister and niece and cousin of those who have fought as soldiers, and as officers throughout various points of our history, I have only one thing to say. And that is: Your son volunteered, knowing that there was war, and that he would be called to risk his life in it. If you did not agree with that war, or with this administration, your son did. It is not possible to conduct a protest of this nature without demoralizing the troops who see it. I don't care HOW much rhetoric you spout about the troops understanding that you can protest against the war, and still support the troops. The don't see it that way. What THEY see is that they are risking their lives, making changes, making the world safer for those that they are liberating, and the media taking every opportunity to vilify them, villify their actions, their reasons, their morals, and their faith. They see that fickle politicians who have never been on the ground in Iraq or Afghanistan or Bosnia or Vietnam will enact policies to slow down their mission, which they want to accomplish, and get back home to listen to everyone whining, and breath a deep sigh of relief that the CAN WHINE...thanks to our military!

tiggercat · Aug 12, 2005

VickiY said:
I am moved...to disgust. This woman is not honoring her son's memory by such conduct. Our troops volunteered to fight for our country if needed. They did not volunteer to fight for our country only if they personally agreed with what we were doning. As the daughter and sister and niece and cousin of those who have fought as soldiers, and as officers throughout various points of our history, I have only one thing to say. And that is: Your son volunteered, knowing that there was war, and that he would be called to risk his life in it. If you did not agree with that war, or with this administration, your son did. It is not possible to conduct a protest of this nature without demoralizing the troops who see it. I don't care HOW much rhetoric you spout about the troops understanding that you can protest against the war, and still support the troops. The don't see it that way. What THEY see is that they are risking their lives, making changes, making the world safer for those that they are liberating, and the media taking every opportunity to vilify them, villify their actions, their reasons, their morals, and their faith. They see that fickle politicians who have never been on the ground in Iraq or Afghanistan or Bosnia or Vietnam will enact policies to slow down their mission, which they want to accomplish, and get back home to listen to everyone whining, and breath a deep sigh of relief that the CAN WHINE...thanks to our military!

Is it never appropriate to question war? Why?

neverforsaken · Aug 12, 2005

i cant blame her really. i wonder if i would feel the same way if my child died. but i could never imagine such pain so i have no right to judge her.

BarbB · Aug 12, 2005

God bless our armed forces, no matter why they entered the service and no matter where they are!

Buckeye · Aug 12, 2005

One more inhumane person checking in.

Ms Sheehan does not move me. I to joined the military as a way to pay for college. I was in eight years, including Desert Storm. My National Guard unit was not mobilized for that but I was always aware of the possibity. The fact that we were not used was one of the reasons I got out at the end of my enlistment.
As a parent, I can not imagine the pain of losing a child under any circumstances but she does no honor to his memory by making a spectacle out of herself and his death.

Norseman · Aug 12, 2005

NothingButTheBlood said:
This is a volunteer army. No one is forced to go or sign up.

She can still try to convince her son to sign up.

VickiY · Aug 12, 2005

tiggercat said:
Is it never appropriate to question war? Why?

There is a vast difference between privately questioning a war, or even personally disagreeing with it, and protesting loudly in front of the cameras.

It is ALWAYS appropriate to question the reasons for a war before a war is entered into. It is NOT appropriate to take steps to undermine the war effort once that war IS entered into.

Speak to actual soldiers, and determine the effect protesting has on their morale, and what affect morale has on unit cohesiveness.

Further, please compare the public tantrums and protests of this woman who loved her son, with the bravery and the dignity of other parents who have lost their children, and yet honored their sacrifice by bearing their grief with dignity and prayer.

Frankly, all this woman has done is to completely surrender to such a level of selfish lack of personal restraint that she is deliberately chosing to undermine the morale of our military, and to divert needed funds and support from them, by presenting hers as the "popular" opinion. I continue in my disgust.

Once a war is entered into, for any reason, we OWE it to our military to support them by our actions, and not to protest. The time for presenting alternate tactics to avert a war is before the war. Protests or arguments can be done BEFORE the war. Hard questions should be asked BEFORE the war. Once our troops are engaged, however, there is one thing ONLY to be done...support them, or be silent.

tiggercat · Aug 12, 2005

VickiY said:
Once a war is entered into, for any reason, we OWE it to our military to support them by our actions, and not to protest. The time for presenting alternate tactics to avert a war is before the war. Protests or arguments can be done BEFORE the war. Hard questions should be asked BEFORE the war. Once our troops are engaged, however, there is one thing ONLY to be done...support them, or be silent.

So in the case of Iraq and the moving target for the reason we are there, we should not question the fact that no weapons were found. I understand what you are saying regarding morale but I think it is our duty as responsible citixzens who wnat ot hold their goverrnment accountable for its' actions to question and if need be object before, during and after if required.

neverforsaken · Aug 12, 2005

feh, i supported the war and before the first missile was launched i knew there were no WMD

Sphere · Aug 12, 2005

I love how the arguments here include "the troops volunteered to sign up and fight". Sure, but that doesnt mean they are worthless meatbags that should be sent into any ridiculous conflict our administration deem 'fit'.

Iraq was not a threat to our security. They had no WMD's. Sure they had a horrible leader, but to use Saddam Hussein as reason for our invasion makes you guys look like hypocrites. Unless of course, you fully support an immediate invasion and removal of other evil dictators of power. Like Fidel Castro, and Kim Jong Il. Do you?

Our soldiers ask not to be put in harms way unless absolutely necessary. And guess what, George W. Bush spit that their in face. This war wasnt necessary, and it's made a mockery out of the US of A.

neverforsaken · Aug 12, 2005

Like Fidel Castro, and Kim Jong Il. Do you?

yep

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