If we go on sinning deliberately

[tonychanyt]

He 10:

24 Let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, 25 not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.

The author addressed believers.

26 For if we go on sinning deliberately

Who were the 'we'?

Believers; they believed in the salvation of Jesus. However, some continued to sin frequently and deliberately, willful and persistent sinning.

after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,

Christ's sacrifice is final and complete—for those who know it, there is no other way of salvation.

27 but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries.

This was a warning of eternal judgment for believers who persisted in deliberate sin by trampling on Jesus.

28 Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. 29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

The Lord will judge these so-called believers.

Was this an example of unforgivable sin?

Only if they refuse to repent of their deliberate sins.

See also

• Porn, addiction, compulsion, gay

 

[Hoping2]

Heb. 10:
The author addressed believers.
Who were the 'we'?
Believers; they believed in the salvation of Jesus. However, some continued to sin frequently and deliberately, willful and persistent sinning.
Christ's sacrifice is final and complete—for those who know it, there is no other way of salvation.
This was a warning of eternal judgment for believers who persisted in deliberate sin by trampling on Jesus.
The Lord will judge these so-called believers.
Was this an example of unforgivable sin?
Only if they refuse to repent of their deliberate sins.

If they refuse to submit to God, are they really believers ?

 

[Carl Emerson]

The audience was Wheat and Tares - not all were believers.

 

[Aaron112]

If they refuse to submit to God, are they really believers ?

Even demons believe! .... and they shudder in absolute terror! They cannot submit to God, nor do they want to.

 

[Aaron112]

Was this an example of unforgivable sin?

Perhaps.
Remember it is written that many living people on earth are condemned already because of unbelief.

 

[tonychanyt]

The audience was Wheat and Tares - not all were believers.

Please quote the verse.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Please quote the verse.

Are you suggesting that all in fellowship are eternally saved believers?

John spoke of many leaving after being in fellowship.

1 John 2

18 Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us. 20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you all know. 21 I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it, and because no lie is of the truth. 22 Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also. 24 As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.

 

[tonychanyt]

Are you suggesting that all in fellowship are eternally saved believers?

No, by believer, I mean someone who believes that Jesus has died his sins. Good question

 

[Carl Emerson]

So the audience is a mix of the saved and the unsaved.

 

[Mark Quayle]

He 10:


The author addressed believers.

26 For if we go on sinning deliberately

Who were the 'we'?

Believers; they believed in the salvation of Jesus. However, some continued to sin frequently and deliberately, willful and persistent sinning.

after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,

Believers; they believed in the salvation of Jesus. However, some continued to sin frequently and deliberately, willful and persistent sinning.

after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,

Christ's sacrifice is final and complete—for those who know it, there is no other way of salvation.

27 but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries.

This was a warning of eternal judgment for believers who persisted in deliberate sin by trampling on Jesus.

This is where I interrupt. The language in "fearful expectation of judgement..." follows immediately behind, "there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins". The tone of the whole, to me, is that of what it feels like to the one purposely sinning. (And, frankly, I don't believe there is such a thing as a non-purposeful sin, regardless of whether the sinner is conscious that he is sinning). His CONFIDENCE in salvation is shaken, as it also says in several other places and several ways in other scriptures. In other words, this person no longer sees the sacrifice as effective for him and he has lost his confidence in it.

Now, I'm not saying THIS IS THE INTERPRETATION AND CORRECT USE. I only mean to present it as an alternative. But yes, it also feeds into the use of further verses (and earlier) in Hebrews.

The Lord will judge these so-called believers.

Was this an example of unforgivable sin?

Only if they refuse to repent of their deliberate sins.

See also

• Porn, addiction, compulsion, gay

 

[tonychanyt]

So the audience is a mix of the saved and the unsaved.

I'd put it as a mix of the saved and those who thought they were saved.

 

[Aaron112]

I'd put it as a mix of the saved and those who thought they were saved.

Like churches, assemblies, and forums.

 

[Carl Emerson]

I'd put it as a mix of the saved and those who thought they were saved.

Do you mean the saved can't know such...

 

[Mark Quayle]

Do you mean the saved can't know such...

No, but that the unsaved can fool themselves

 

[Aaron112]

No, but that the unsaved can fool themselves

And be fooled/ tricked/ deceived by almost anyone as well.
By almost any thread ...? .... since truth is not enforced nor required ?

This was a warning of eternal judgment for believers who persisted in deliberate sin by trampling on Jesus.

The Lord will judge these so-called believers.

If they refuse to submit to God, are they really believers ?

The audience was Wheat and Tares - not all were believers.

So the audience is a mix of the saved and the unsaved.

I'd put it as a mix of the saved and those who thought they were saved.

 

[tonychanyt]

Do you mean the saved can't know such...

can't know what specifically?

These are all matters of definitions. See Once saved, always saved?

 

[Carl Emerson]

can't know what specifically?

These are all matters of definitions. See Once saved, always saved?

Can't know they have eternal salvation.

 

[tonychanyt]

Can't know they have eternal salvation.

I can know about the assurance of my own salvation. I cannot know if others are. That's between them and God. They also can know their assurance of their salvation, just like I.

 

[Carl Emerson]

I can know about the assurance of my own salvation. I cannot know if others are. That's between them and God. They also can know their assurance of their salvation, just like I.

Agreed...

And you can know you wont loose it.