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Hi there!pyro457 said:To me this says that The Book of Mormon and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was known by Isaiah.
Hi there!pyro457 said:These verses say that after a time of apostasy the Church would be restored "in the top fo the mountains", I recently found out that Utah, taken from the Ute indian tribe, means high "place/mountain tops" this fits quite well in with verse 2. almost ironicly well. And Utahs name was not given by LDS members, it was given by non LDS members.
Obviously you have not read it then. I have, several times, and it does contradict. Where again was Jesus born? How are you saved? Is it by faith alone or faith, after all you can do? When exactly were the people FIRST called Christians? Just a couple little problems there.Jenda said:There is that problem again.
Just because Mormonism (LDSism) contradicts "Christianity" doesn't mean the Book of Mormon does. Y'all have to stop insinuating that. The BoM totally supports Christianity.
I am sure that God would be given much more glory if you followed His Word and not a man made religion.Jenda said:Maybe if you understood that verse you would understand that our "joy" is to give glory to God. If man hadn't fallen, we would not be able to do that.
And how could God save us if we didn't fall????
Serapha said:Hello Der Alter,
The boards were actually wooden "trays" that held wax, but they were used primarily on a temporary basis... recording tax receipts or store receipts for the month, and then being transferred to a more permanent form of written record. The wax forms were also used for temporary court recording until they could be record and for land transfers, etc.
But, as we all know, the heat in Israel would melt the wax, therefore, it could only be a temporary form of written record.. and certainly, it would never be in a bound form as a permanent type of record.
~serapha~
CrownCaster said:Obviously you have not read it then. I have, several times, and it does contradict. Where again was Jesus born? How are you saved? Is it by faith alone or faith, after all you can do? When exactly were the people FIRST called Christians? Just a couple little problems there.
It doesn't change the fact that it contradicts the Bible, rather than support it.Jenda said:Maybe if you understood that verse you would understand that our "joy" is to give glory to God. If man hadn't fallen, we would not be able to do that.
And how could God save us if we didn't fall????
happyinhisgrace said:It doesn't change the fact that it contradicts the Bible, rather than support it.
In the Bible, God told Adam and Eve to multiply the earth, before they even sinned against Him by eating the fruit. Now, unless you believe that God gave them a commandment that they had to sin against Him to follow, this means that they were capable of having children before the fall.
The BofM scripture that says that "Adam fell that man might be and men are that they might have joy" goes against Bible teachings. The Bible teaches that the fall of Adam was a bad thing, not a good thing. It also teaches that God told Adam and Eve to multiply the Earth before they ever even sinned and like I said before, unless you believe that God would give them a command and then make it so they had to first sin against Him to keep that command, it just doesn't measure up.
Sin seperated man from God. Adam's fall was not a good thing at all.
Where does the Word of God say that sin is nessesary?Jenda said:You are equating necessary with good, and that is not necessarily correct.
Sin separated man from God, and it was bad, but it was necessary for us to be redeemed. God could not redeem us in an unfallen state.
happyinhisgrace said:Where does the Word of God say that sin is nessesary?
If man had never sinned, there would be no need for redemption. If you can show me even one place in the Bible where God says that sin is nessessary, I will listen.
The BofM still condradicts the Bible on this topic.
Biblical support for these claims, pleaseJenda said:If God wanted us for eternity the way we were in the Garden, then there would have been no reason to put the temptations there that He did. He put them there specifically so we would fall. He created us, He knew our nature. And He knew we would succumb to the temptation. He is not stupid.
God wanted us to become sons of God, and that could not have happened without the fall and the redemption.
happyinhisgrace said:Biblical support for these claims, please
This is not Biblical support for sin being nessesary. We can only become children of God through Christ because of the fall of Adam. If there had never been a fall, man never would have been seperated from God and we would not have to be "redeemed" for our sin because sin would not have even entered the world.Jenda said:It is through receiving Christ as our savior and believing on His name that we become sons of God. If we never had the chance to do that, we would not be able to become sons of God.
Jhn 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:
Jhn 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Do you honestly believe that Jesus only came for the Jews? He came for all, first the Jews then the Gentiles.pyro457 said:Also in John 10:16 "And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd." Chist is reffering to "other sheep" that would hear His voice and join Him. And He is not reffering to the gentiles, for they (the gentiles) would not hear from Christ directly but from His servents. For Christ was "sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Matt. 15:24
happyinhisgrace said:This is not Biblical support for sin being nessesary. We can only become children of God through Christ because of the fall of Adam. If there had never been a fall, man never would have been seperated from God and we would not have to be "redeemed" for our sin because sin would not have even entered the world.
Do you have any scripture that shows that the fall was nessessary and that God commanded man to sin in order to be "saved"?
No, and the idea is sick. God never wanted us to fall but also did not want robots. He gave us a choice and the ability to exercise it.Jenda said:If God wanted us for eternity the way we were in the Garden, then there would have been no reason to put the temptations there that He did. He put them there specifically so we would fall. He created us, He knew our nature. And He knew we would succumb to the temptation. He is not stupid.
God wanted us to become sons of God, and that could not have happened without the fall and the redemption.
Where does the Word of God say that God tempted man in the Garden, Satan is the one who tempted man. There is your answer.Jenda said:You have not answered the question of why God deliberately put temptation in our way if He knew that without the temptation we would not fall.
We have limited numbers of scripture, and the most we can do is pray to God for an interpretation of them. Even without the BoM, this is what I would believe because any other interpretation takes away the mercy of God. I mean, why would God do that unless He had something better for us than life as a puppet in the Garden?
happyinhisgrace said:Where does the Word of God say that God tempted man in the Garden, Satan is the one who tempted man. There is your answer.
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