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I think not.
If a child who is old enough to know right from wrong covets his neighbor's dog for 3 seconds, does he then deserve eternal conscious torment in hell for this "sin", even if that is the only sin he ever committed? I think not.
sin is sin, and requires atonement period.
The wages for sin is death. That is all and any sin. so that means All sin is the same, and their are no minor infractions of sin.Interesting. I would have thought that coveting a dog was a rather minor infraction.
It depends on the society we live in, and what those laws say.If a person who covets a dog deserves infinite conscious torture in hell for that "sin" , does that person also deserve the death penalty?
doubtingmerle said:If a child who is old enough to know right from wrong covets his neighbor's dog for 3 seconds, does he then deserve eternal conscious torment in hell for this "sin", even if that is the only sin he ever committed? I think not.
It's the wrong framework. If someone suffers from covertessnesss, which we all do without exception, then that person needs putting to rights to be able to function in the Kingdom of God. Should they decline that putting-to-rights and Kingdom then ultimately God will respect that choice.
The answer is yes. God makes the rules. Not you. Not I. Not societies moral compass, but God alone sets the standards.
Do you understand that?
No society issues the death penalty for coveting a dog. I can't imagine one thinking that would be good.If a person who covets a dog deserves infinite conscious torture in hell for that "sin" , does that person also deserve the death penalty?
It depends on the society we live in, and what those laws say.
The atonement? I discussed that elsewhere: http://www.christianforums.com/t7594196/You all seem to want to focus on the sin and ignore the atonement that is offered by the very same God. why is that?
then the answer to your question is no. God has separated his laws from those of man.No society issues the death penalty for coveting a dog. I can't imagine one thinking that would be good.
My point was that atonement is part and parcel to this discussion. to separate them is folly.The atonement? I discussed that elsewhere: http://www.christianforums.com/t7594196/
doubtingmerle said:The opening post was about one who coveted a dog for 3 seconds. If he covets for 3 seconds, does he deserve eternal torment as a consequence?
So God is the most powerful, and he makes the rules, and we are stuck with that, whether we agree or not?
If the ultimate authority of the universe were to sanction incest and murder, would you then also sanction incest and murder?
So we should just accept whatever the most powerful being says, and ask no questions?
That is not my nature. I ask questions.
As a hypothetical abstract The answer is no
But if the ultimate authority did sanction such things, would you say that might makes right, and follow whatever that ultimate authority asked, even if it meant incest and murder?The ultimate authority of the universe does not sanction incest and murder. Which means there is no need to even consider the "what if" in a case like that. What He does sanction is spelled out very clearly in the Scriptures, not to mention on your own conscience.
tell me about itdoubtingmerle said:Some Christians keep using such hypothetical abstracts. They say if a person commits a single sin, then he is guilty of the whole law, and deserves to be tortured for all eternity.
ok, I've voted but on the proviso that I'm not accepting the premise implied by the question.So your answer to the question is no, this person hasn't done anything to deserve eternal torture, but you won't click the button to submit your vote?
Sinning does not mean one goes to hell. Not accepting Christ results in that. God bless.If a child who is old enough to know right from wrong covets his neighbor's dog for 3 seconds, does he then deserve eternal conscious torment in hell for this "sin", even if that is the only sin he ever committed? I think not.
But if the ultimate authority did sanction such things, would you say that might makes right, and follow whatever that ultimate authority asked, even if it meant incest and murder?
ok, I've voted but on the proviso that I'm not accepting the premise implied by the question.
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