Well you could always google the demographics yourself so you would know what I'm talking about.
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That makes people more evolved?
Perhaps the dots connect in your head. Seems like somewhat discombobulated facts sewn together to me.
So these "suicide bombers and AIDS epidemics", are these in the 'more evolved' nations or the less?Well you could always google the demographics yourself so you would know what I'm talking about.
So these "suicide bombers and AIDS epidemics", are these in the 'more evolved' nations or the less?
Whether or not a few, some, most, or all of the current propositions in the Theory of Evolution are true, one thing for sure is that most of us lay people be we religious or atheists, that are not well read or taught in the natural sciences don't understand what the Theory of Evolution fundamentally suggests.
Many religious and atheists alike think--incorrectly--that the Theory of Evolution proposes that species "get better" through evolution. The Theory of Evolution does not propose this.
Atheists in particular tend to think their is an Intelligent Designer rationally directing the evolution of species--or humanity in particular--in a specific direction with a rational goal of both saving humanity as a species and improving humanity as a species. But the Theory of Evolution does not propose an Intelligent Designer directing the evolution of a species with a goal "in mind."
So, for example, when a religious or atheist argues that homosexuality is evolutionarily caused for or so humanity want overpopulate they are in fact placing an Intelligent Designer in the driving seat, in the blue prints, of evolution. That Intelligent Designer they think is "nature." And "nature" they think has a mind and therefore nature can arrive at "conclusions" when a problem is presented before its great mind.
If war is a trait why would it not just survive, but grow wildly?
Correct.
Better in evolutionary terms simply means more adapted to the environment. As in: better able to survive to reproduce given the circumstances presented to the organism.
Do you even know what a "strawman argument" is? I was responding to dad, and trying to provide some explanations to him as to what the Theory of Evolution is and is not, and giving examples to him to try and explain that. I was not responding to you (I didn't even read 99% of the other posts in this thread), so, how could I be making a strawman argument?That's a mighty fine hay baler you've got there. What's that you're building? Why, it looks just like a man, made of straw.
I already gave such an example. In the Philosophy of Biology an Intelligent Designer can be a human (person that builds a chair designing it for said goal to be sat on) or anything with intelligence that directs the direction of evolution for some specific goal.Perhaps you'd like to provide an example of an atheist that proposes that the theory of evolution posits an intelligent designer. If you can, I can also show you an atheist that doesn't understand the theory of evolution.
It's not my belief nor my proposition. It is a belief and proposition I've heard or read before from others.What a bizarre statement.
No, I never proposed such a thing. What I did propose was that anyone that proposes homosexuality was evolutionarily designed for X, Y, Z purpose (such as in the purpose to prevent human overpopulation) is in fact logically proposing an Intelligent Designer guiding, directing evolution. For many that Intelligent Designer is "Mother Nature" whom philosophically they seem to think is endowed with an actual mind.If I understand you correctly, you are stating that homosexuality exists in humans to prevent overpopulation, because an intelligent designer designed it thusly?
I never said scientists suggested a thing. Now you are building a strawman.I know of no scientist, nor of any atheist, that has proposed that homosexuality is an evolutionary mechanism to reduce population.
And? I know of a science paper that composed by a geneticist at Rutgers University that concluded in his paper that homosexuality is likely not genetically caused but a resulted of many nuanced factors.However, I do know of several scientific papers that present evidence of just the opposite case - that the presence of homosexuals in family group or social group populations actually has a net benefit to the overall fertility rate in those groups.
See:
Maternal Inheritance and Familial Fecundity Factors in Male Homosexuality - Springer
http://genepi.qimr.edu.au/contents/...pringer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-007-9191-2
McGuire, T. R. (1995). Is homosexuality genetic? A critical review and some suggestions. Journal of Homosexuality, 28: 115-145.
I tend to agree. Using war an an example, I see no people has evolved out of that.'More evolved' doesn't really mean anything. More evolved =/= never have problems.
In the case of man and modern war, no one is adapted to survive.Correct.
Better in evolutionary terms simply means more adapted to the environment. As in: better able to survive to reproduce given the circumstances presented to the organism.
Since they can't reproduce, how would you propose that that sort of person would be a net benefit?However, I do know of several scientific papers that present evidence of just the opposite case - that the presence of homosexuals in family group or social group populations actually has a net benefit to the overall fertility rate in those groups.
Since they can't reproduce, how would you propose that that sort of person would be a net benefit?
The theory holds that the same genetic factors that induce gayness in males also promote fecundity (high reproductive success) in those males' female maternal relatives. Through this trade-off, the maternal relatives' "gay man genes," though they aren't expressed as such, tend to get passed to future generations in spite of their tendency to make their male inheritors gay.
I was speaking of genetic traits. But one could hypothesize homosexuality, racism, and violence among humans are genetically influenced behaviors. And some have. At least with homosexuality and racism.
I guess the right whale is most warlike then?In my view humans are more violent than bonobos but less violent than chimps. Male chimps also have enormous sized testicles (though they are shorter in height than male humans, male chimps have much larger testicles than male humans) which may or may not help explain why male chimps can be so violent.
Of course, humans are the species to produce serial killers, that I know of. And the greater intelligence of humans has allowed us create incredibly destructive weapons of warfare and kill on a scale no other species can.
I don't think violence is a genetically inherited trait.
A quick google found this:
The theory holds that the same genetic factors that induce gayness in males also promote fecundity (high reproductive success) in those males' female maternal relatives.
Baloney. Lame excuse.Through this trade-off, the maternal relatives' "gay man genes," though they aren't expressed as such, tend to get passed to future generations in spite of their tendency to make their male inheritors gay.
Oh, and what are those supposed factors?! Hopefully not just a high drive gone amok.
Baloney. Lame excuse.
Maybe you should outline the factors said to be responsible since it is your link.Maybe you should read the link.
If you could prove the claimed homo heredity claims, you could talk. Since you can't, you may not talk. What is left then? What God says on the issue. He says it is sin. Not evolution. I agree. Not rocket science, that.How would you know?
Maybe you should outline the factors said to be responsible since it is your link.
If you could prove the claimed homo heredity claims, you could talk. Since you can't, you may not talk. What is left then? What God says on the issue. He says it is sin. Not evolution. I agree. Not rocket science, that.
The bible also says war comes from sin. Not chimps.
You need to post the relevant bit. I bet it would get shot down fast. Not me who is scared.If you are really too scared to read a very short link after asking the question then that is your problem.
I don't believe that. People gravitate toward various sins. Blame it on heredity...right..Lol, well, your god created gay people then. Take it up with him.
I am evolved to laugh at different things. I gravitate toward the humor of God.The bible contains a lot of things that are risible.
You need to post the relevant bit. I bet it would get shot down fast. Not me who is scared.
I don't believe that. People gravitate toward various sins. Blame it on heredity...right..
I am evolved to laugh at different things. I gravitate toward the humor of God.
What is wrong with you?
Great. I like humor.Yeah, your god makes a great comedian.
So your busted Noah had the same genetics claim won't be addressed. OK. Hahaha.
There is a difference between being born a man, and being born hellbent toward a certain sin.
Great. I like humor.
There is no answer so if you claim there was one in the link, post the content briefly. You are busted.You asked the question and then refused to read the answer. There's something wrong with that, but that's really your problem.
Homosexuality is a sin, but that is not news to you I wager. Come to think of it, why would a 'christian' president of a country be pushing that sin gung ho? Wake up people.Born hellbent towards a certain sin? You mean being born gay?
No. You may not hide behind some claim of predestination or heredity to sin. We are not made that way.So by that logic you do, to use your odd terminology, 'blame' people for the sex, height, colour and everything else about the way they were born.
Thanks. You guys provide a lot of material for them.Yeah, your god sure likes jokes.
There is no answer so if you claim there was one in the link, post the content briefly. You are busted.
Homosexuality is a sin, but that is not news to you I wager.
Come to think of it, why would a 'christian' president of a country be pushing that sin gung ho? Wake up people.
No. You may not hide behind some claim of predestination or heredity to sin. We are not made that way.
Thanks. You guys provide a lot of material for them.
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