If Jesus was God, why ___?

[tonychanyt]

E.g., 1 Peter 3:

21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: 22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

If Jesus was God, wouldn't the angels be subject unto him already? Why make them subject unto him all over again?

If Jesus was the creator, how could he die in his own creation?

If Christ exists with God before time, should not It be Spirit? How can It die?

If Jesus is God why didn’t Jesus know the hour?

Muslims often say that Jesus was a prophet and therefore cannot be God.

James 1:13 said God cannot be tempted. But Jesus was tempted, how are these not contradictions?

There exists an infinite number of questions of this form: If Jesus was God, why/how ___?

All of them could be answered by saying that Jesus was also a human when he was born of flesh from Mary.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

E.g., 1 Peter 3:


If Jesus was God, wouldn't the angels be subject unto him already? Why make them subject unto him all over again?

If Jesus was the creator, how could he die in his own creation?

If Christ exists with God before time, should not It be Spirit? How can It die?

If Jesus is God why didn’t Jesus know the hour?

There exists an infinite number of questions of this form: If Jesus was God, why/how ___?

All of them could be answered by saying that Jesus was also a human when he was born of flesh from Mary.

Add to this the direct and clear statement of Acts 2:26-

Acts 2:36 KJV
36. Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly,
that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified,
both Lord and Christ.

 

[HTacianas]

E.g., 1 Peter 3:


If Jesus was God, wouldn't the angels be subject unto him already? Why make them subject unto him all over again?

If Jesus was the creator, how could he die in his own creation?

If Christ exists with God before time, should not It be Spirit? How can It die?

If Jesus is God why didn’t Jesus know the hour?

There exists an infinite number of questions of this form: If Jesus was God, why/how ___?

All of them could be answered by saying that Jesus was also a human when he was born of flesh from Mary.

Jesus was the incarnation of the divine creative power of God, the Word. As in "the Word was with God and the Word was God". The Word is not the creator, but the eternal creative power of the creator.

 

[tonychanyt]

The Word is not the creator, but the eternal creative power of the creator.

Interesting distinction. When it comes to divine mysteries, I rather stick as close to the wording of Scripture as possible

 

[HTacianas]

Interesting distinction. When it comes to divine mysteries, I rather stick as close to the wording of Scripture as possible

Jhn 1:3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.

Col 1:17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.

 

[tonychanyt]

Jhn 1:3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.

Col 1:17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.

Any verse that says: The Word is not the creator.

 

[truefiction1]

E.g., 1 Peter 3:


If Jesus was God, wouldn't the angels be subject unto him already? Why make them subject unto him all over again?

If Jesus was the creator, how could he die in his own creation?

If Christ exists with God before time, should not It be Spirit? How can It die?

If Jesus is God why didn’t Jesus know the hour?

Muslims often say that Jesus was a prophet and therefore cannot be God.

James 1:13 said God cannot be tempted. But Jesus was tempted, how are these not contradictions?

There exists an infinite number of questions of this form: If Jesus was God, why/how ___?

All of them could be answered by saying that Jesus was also a human when he was born of flesh from Mary.

Because, in the Incarnation of God the Word, the Word "became flesh". This is a very big deal, with many significant ramifications. Perhaps you ought to embark on a study of the history of Christological dogma? St. Athanasius wrote comprehensive rebuttals of all such arguments on the basis of Holy Scripture, "Against Arius". This is a good place to start.

 

[tonychanyt]

Because, in the Incarnation of God the Word, the Word "became flesh". This is a very big deal, with many significant ramifications. Perhaps you ought to embark on a study of the history of Christological dogma? St. Athanasius wrote comprehensive rebuttals of all such arguments on the basis of Holy Scripture, "Against Arius". This is a good place to start.

Is there anything in those references that cannot be answered by saying that Jesus was also a human when he was born of flesh from Mary?

 

[truefiction1]

Is there anything in those references that cannot be answered by saying that Jesus was also a human when he was born of flesh from Mary?

I don't believe so.

 

[tonychanyt]

I don't believe so.

Then I do not find any point in reading them.

 

[truefiction1]

Then I do not find any point in reading them.

The argument for the human nature of Christ originally came from them. Contrary to popular belief, Protestants did not exist when the Church hierarchy was battling the controversial and dangerous Arian heresy of the 4rth Christian century. Bibles such as we now have didn't exist either. Athanasius the Great was there, as were others, and so the Nicene Creed was articulated in an Ecumenical council, and the Arian heresy condemned. So if you see no point in reading anything like this, that's fine. It's not possible to read all books ever written.

 

[tonychanyt]

The argument for the human nature of Christ originally came from them. Contrary to popular belief, Protestants did not exist when the Church hierarchy was battling the controversial and dangerous Arian heresy of the 4rth Christian century. Bibles such as we now have didn't exist either. Athanasius the Great was there, as were others, and so the Nicene Creed was articulated in an Ecumenical council,

BTW, they need to re-translate the original Greek Nicene Creed into modern English better. There are two troublesome words in particular: begotten and catholic.

and the Arian heresy condemned. So if you see no point in reading anything like this, that's fine. It's not possible to read all books ever written.

I avoid reading books that argue about terms that are not found in the Bible. The best minds in the last 2000 years have argued about them. There is no end to it.

 

[Divide]

If Jesus is God why didn’t Jesus know the hour?

Because the Father had not decided on the exact date yet Himself?

That would let God keep His options open. It's actually very simple.

 

[Divide]

Then I do not find any point in reading them.

Do you use BlueLetterBible.com? It's a free online concordance.

Have you ever sat down to read the bible and do it using the blue letter bible so you can look up every word?

I do at times. Let me tell you it can be very surprising reading that way!

 

[Divide]

BlueLetterBible.org

Sorry.

 

[PsaltiChrysostom]

BTW, they need to re-translate the original Greek Nicene Creed into modern English better. There are two troublesome words in particular: begotten and catholic.

I avoid reading books that argue about terms that are not found in the Bible. The best minds in the last 2000 years have argued about them. There is no end to it.

Why??? The phrase reads

τὸν υἱὸν τοῦ Θεοῦ τὸν Μονογενῆ,
ton yion tou Theou ton Monogene

Which is taken DIRECTLY from John 1:14!!
δόξαν ὡς μονογενοῦς παρὰ πατρός, πλήρης χάριτος καὶ ἀληθείας.
doxan os monogenous para patros, pleres charitos kai aletheias

It only has one meaning, only-begotten. If you want to make your own translation, no one is stopping you.

As for catholic, some liturgical Protestants use the phrase "One holy, Christian and apostolic church", to distinguish it from Roman Catholicism.

You don't want to read about terms NOT in the Scriptures but you demand that the historical church change everything to meet your demands. Go change it yourself and we'll keep using the ACTUAL historical terms

 

[tonychanyt]

Do you use BlueLetterBible.com? It's a free online concordance.

Everyday. Please join Familiarize yourself with the whole Bible by daily reading.

 

[tonychanyt]

It only has one meaning, only-begotten. If you want to make your own translation, no one is stopping you.

See For God so loved the world, that he gave his only BEGOTTEN Son and follow up there.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

E.g., 1 Peter 3:


If Jesus was God, wouldn't the angels be subject unto him already? Why make them subject unto him all over again?

If Jesus was the creator, how could he die in his own creation?

If Christ exists with God before time, should not It be Spirit? How can It die?

If Jesus is God why didn’t Jesus know the hour?

Muslims often say that Jesus was a prophet and therefore cannot be God.

James 1:13 said God cannot be tempted. But Jesus was tempted, how are these not contradictions?

There exists an infinite number of questions of this form: If Jesus was God, why/how ___?

All of them could be answered by saying that Jesus was also a human when he was born of flesh from Mary.

Give your own answers to these questions and we can continue from there.

 

[tonychanyt]

Give your own answers to these questions and we can continue from there.

Did you read my OP to the end? The answer is the last sentence.