If in mainstream Mormon thought, Mormons are against caffeine, are they against tryptophan too?

[HeWept]

Tryptophan is basically caffeine in reverse, right? So if you can't have one, can you have the other?

 

[AlexB23]

Tryptophan is basically caffeine in reverse, right? So if you can't have one, can you have the other?

Had to put this joke here, of a turkey tripping over a desk fan. @Zaha Torte , as you are an LDS, can you answer OP's question about tryptophan?

 

[The Liturgist]

Non-Christians and people who disagree with the CF.com statement of faith are not allowed to post in here.

 

[HeWept]

Non-Christians and people who disagree with the CF.com statement of faith are not allowed to post in here.

I'm not what would be considered a non-Christian (who said I was?)

 

[AlexB23]

I'm not what would be considered a non-Christian (who said I was?)

@The Liturgist was referring to Mormons, as Mormons are not allowed to promote their religion here, if I am not mistaken. We know that you are a Christian.

 

[HeWept]

@The Liturgist was referring to Mormons, as Mormons are not allowed to promote their religion here, if I am not mistaken. We know that you are a Christian.

Oh. Was just wondering mainly, wasn't trying to promote Mormonism if that confused anyone. Sorry about that. Though I didn't know Mormons weren't considered Christian. They do fall under the Nicene Creed, to my knowledge.

 

[AlexB23]

Oh. Was just wondering mainly, wasn't trying to promote Mormonism if that confused anyone. Sorry about that. Though I didn't know Mormons weren't considered Christian. They do fall under the Nicene Creed, to my knowledge.

The Mormons added to the Bible and stuff, and do not believe in the same stuff as Protestants, Catholics or Orthodox Christians. So yes, this forum does not allow for Mormon promotion.

 

[The Liturgist]

I'm not what would be considered a non-Christian (who said I was?)

You’re obviously a Christian. I was referring to the Mormons. They aren’t allowed to post in this subforum.

Oh. Was just wondering mainly, wasn't trying to promote Mormonism if that confused anyone. Sorry about that. Though I didn't know Mormons weren't considered Christian. They do fall under the Nicene Creed, to my knowledge.

The Mormons expressly reject the Nicene Creed. Among the parts they disagree with is the idea that Jesus Christ is the only-begotten Son of God, who was begotten of the Father before all Worlds and is Consubstantial with Him. They blasphemously assert that our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ and the devil are brothers, that God the Father is a deified man from the planet Kolob (whose name was the basis for the planet Kobol from Mormons In Space, err, the original Glen Larson* produced Battlestar Galactica), and that the Holy Spirit is a brother of our Lord not yet incarnated. Mormons also reject the Apostles’ Creed. They’re basically Tri-Henotheists (that is to say, Polytheists who worship three gods exclusively while acknowledging the existence of more, and the possibility of humans to become equal to God the Father through apotheosis), but they claim to believe in the Trinity, and even baptize using the correct triune formula, but of course no church accepts their baptisms as valid because what they mean by the Trinity is three Gods, and not the correct Christiian doctrine which is one God in three Persons, sharing one divine essence, with the person of Jesus Christ also being fully human, his humanity and divinity united without change, confusion, separation or division.

*Glen Larson developed such a bad reputation for ripping other works, in this case Star Wars, indeed he originally proposed to call Battlestar Galactica “Star Worlds” and was sued by George Lucas to prevent that, that he was nicknamed Glen Larceny. Of course the new Battlestar Galactica with Edward James Olmos, Michael Hogan, James Callis etc was written by a group of writers led by Ronald D. Moore, who had cut his teeth writing some of the best episodes of Star Trek: The Next Generation and Deep Space Nine for Gene Roddenberry, Rick Berman and Ira Steven Behr, and was genuinely interesting and novel, and it was built from the best parts of old BSG, but it retained some references to the original, which came from Mormonism, for example, the Colonials being led by a Quorum of Twelve with a President like the LDS Church, albeit it had the inspired decision to make them polytheists, and the Cylons strict Islamic-style monotheist fundamentalists (except for Cylon model no. 1, the sinister Cylon who was the true villain of the series, also called “John Cavil”, who was an atheist who mocked the other Cylons, and was brilliantly played by the late Dean Stockwell).

 

[The Liturgist]

Oh. Was just wondering mainly, wasn't trying to promote Mormonism if that confused anyone

Don’t worry, that was abundantly apparent.

I was going to have a private discussion with a Mormon member about some aspects of their theology but became ill; I might be able to add you to the conversation so you could ask them whatever you are curious about. But please don’t be taken in by them’ Mormonism, even the official LDS, is a dangerous cult which will take all your money, through mandatory tithing and the requirement to buy Mormon underwear, err, temple garments, from Beehive Industries (even if you want to sew it yourself you still have to buy an approved sewing kit), and which will seek to control every aspect of your life. Mormons arrange jobs for each other, arrange marriages for each other, and otherwise work together to make sure everyone in the church prospers in a material way, so that the church can maximize its revenue, but this comes at a price which is much steeper than anything I would be willing to pay. Mormons also do background checks on prospective members and tend to exclude convicted felons, since apparently we are to believe that the Gospel is only for those with a clean criminal record and that our Lord sparing the Good Thief was a one-off event. They do other weird things as well.

Now, Mormons are extremely nice people, and I love traveling to Utah, and I feel extremely sorry for them, especially the people in the FLDS cult led by the convicted paedophile Warren Jeffs, which is still around; in recent years the Orthodox Church, particularly the Antiochian Orthodox Church, has been growing in Utah, and I think Christian denominations should get much more aggressive in converting Mormons, and we should be prepared to accept the Mormon people as a distinct ethnic group, which they have become, as they are descended largely from the English (there are more people of English descent in Utah and Idaho than in any other US states, and Mormons frequently have English last names), although many are also descended from European converts, many of whom came from Mennonite communities in Switzerland and the Netherlands and Lower Saxony, but all of the key founders were descendants of English colonists in the “Burned Over” district of New York, which had had a series of revivals, as opposed to being descended from the Dutch of New York.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Oh. Was just wondering mainly, wasn't trying to promote Mormonism if that confused anyone. Sorry about that. Though I didn't know Mormons weren't considered Christian. They do fall under the Nicene Creed, to my knowledge.

Mormons wouldn't be able to get passed the very first part of the first line in the Nicene Creed,

"We believe in one God"

Mormonism accepts the existence of an uncountable number of gods, and there are new gods all the time, as in Mormon theology by obeying what they call "the gospel" it is possible to attain a state of exaltation and become a literal god.

There's no such thing as a supreme almighty maker of everything in Mormonism. Matter has always existed, the universe has always existed, and new divine "intelligences" arise all the time. Gods are basically just really powerful alien warlords that rule over planets and make lots of babies with their spirit wives.

This is all stuff I learned speaking directly with practicing Mormons.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[The Liturgist]

Mormons wouldn't be able to get passed the very first part of the first line in the Nicene Creed,

"We believe in one God"

Mormonism accepts the existence of an uncountable number of gods, and there are new gods all the time, as in Mormon theology by obeying what they call "the gospel" it is possible to attain a state of exaltation and become a literal god.

There's no such thing as a supreme almighty maker of everything in Mormonism. Matter has always existed, the universe has always existed, and new divine "intelligences" arise all the time. Gods are basically just really powerful alien warlords that rule over planets and make lots of babies with their spirit wives.

This is all stuff I learned speaking directly with practicing Mormons.

-CryptoLutheran

Going a step further, in Mormonism one could argue that the actual deity is the Universe itself, since one has to keep moving up reality until one finds a First Cause. I would propose there are no gods in the sense of a Supreme Being in Mormonism, only planetary archons who are referred to as gods. They might meet the Pagan standard of a deity but they fail to meet the Biblical standard of God as the omnipotent, omniscient, immutable and eternal creator of all, who is philosophically the First Cause, the unmoved mover of all of the created world. Thus, it is a heno-tritheism in an atheistic universe (and on this point I find myself realizing the irony of Roman Pagan rulers starting under Nero and the early Flavian Emperors accusing Christians of the superstition of atheism, in that actually, insofar as its gods were not omnipotent prime movers of creation, but rather archons in a sequence of emanations beginning with the Protogenoi (Chronus, Uranus and Gaia) and continuing with the Titans, and then the Olympians, with the Protogenoi coming closest to actual deity.

Likewise, occasionally I encounter a Christian who doesn’t understand that God created time (of course, if God has created the Universe, He has created spacetime, but also Scripturally, time is a thing and according to John 1:3, God created all things by the Only Begotten Son and Word of God who for our sakes became incarnate, who we know as Jesus Christ and as Emanuel. The problem is that if we assert that God did not create time, but is subject to it, and experiences it, we make time the real God.

This is also why Process Theology is such an extreme heresy. It constitutes a blasphemous katotheosis insofar as if believed, it would have the believer reduce God to merely a powerful archon.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

If you are for health then you are automatically against sickness, disease, and addictive & destructive drugs.