If God makes a person gay, does that imply homosexual practice is not a sin?

[tonychanyt]

If God makes a person gay, then does God make a mistake?

No, Rom 9:

17 Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”

God made Pharaoh for his purpose. Did Pharaoh sin? Yes.

18 Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.

God hardened Pharaoh's heart. Was Pharaoh responsible for his sins? Yes.

19 One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?”

If God makes a person gay, why does God still blame him? The gay person can't help it.

20 But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God?

We have no right to talk back to God.

“Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’ ”

The Creator God is almighty; we are not. The Creator God is wiser than us.

21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?

God is sovereign. He can do whatever without consulting us.

If God makes a person gay, does that imply homosexual practice is not a sin?

Homosexual practice is a sin. We all sin, gay or not. We all need the Paraclete living in us to transform our lives. Ask the Holy Spirit who is dwelling in you. He will teach you all truths (Jn 14:26).

 

[Unqualified]

I don’t think they are born to be homosexual !?

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

God doesn't make anyone gay. Gay people act on their sinful desires in their heart.

Furthermore, God created every human being in His image. Being an image of God is our true identity, that's who we are. Gay, transgender, muslim, hindu...all of those are false identities. Sin does pollute us, we are now a broken image of God, but still His image. God calls us to His Son who restores us an image of God. When we worship God, when we praise Him, that's when we truly are what God created us, His image, our true identity.

 

[Lillymarksthespot]

We all sin, gay or not.

People aren't born "gay." There aren't different types of people, gay and straight. Anybody can choose to "be straight" or act on their homosexual temptations. I personally used to be "gay," and after I found Christ it took me a while before I completely stopped thinking with a homosexual mindset. It takes time, but homosexuals aren't born being gay and having to go against their true identity. They are straight, but our sinful nature has homosexuality as one of the temptations, it's all up to a person whether they choose to act on that and make it their identity or not. Just like people aren't "born incestual," it's a sin temptation that people can choose to act on or not.

 

[bèlla]

God doesn't transgress His word. Which means He wouldn't make someone gay. To say otherwise is a heresy.

~bella.

 

[rturner76]

If God makes a person gay, then does God make a mistake?

No, Rom 9:


God made Pharaoh for his purpose. Did Pharaoh sin? Yes.


God hardened Pharaoh's heart. Was Pharaoh responsible for his sins? Yes.


If God makes a person gay, why does God still blame him? The gay person can't help it.


We have no right to talk back to God.


The Creator God is almighty; we are not. The Creator God is wiser than us.


God is sovereign. He can do whatever without consulting us.

If God makes a person gay, does that imply homosexual practice is not a sin?

Homosexual practice is a sin. We all sin, gay or not. We all need the Paraclete living in us to transform our lives. Ask the Holy Spirit who is dwelling in you. He will teach you all truths (Jn 14:26).

My opinion is that same sex attraction can be born in us but to take the action of homosexual see is another matter. I believe we are judged by our actions based on our beliefs. So I would say that someone with same-sex attraction has not sinned until they engage in homosexual sex. At that point, they have committed a sinful action. Being tempted and fighting through the temptation not to allow your body to act in sin can be counted as righteousness IMO.

 

[Lillymarksthespot]

Being tempted and fighting through the temptation not to allow your body to act in sin can be counted as righteousness IMO.

yes definitely.
i think homosexuality can be put into our minds through our environment and just sin nature as we get older, but i still don't think people are born gay so agree to disagree

 

[Spiritual Jew]

If God makes a person gay, then does God make a mistake?

No, Rom 9:


God made Pharaoh for his purpose. Did Pharaoh sin? Yes.


God hardened Pharaoh's heart. Was Pharaoh responsible for his sins? Yes.


If God makes a person gay, why does God still blame him? The gay person can't help it.


We have no right to talk back to God.


The Creator God is almighty; we are not. The Creator God is wiser than us.


God is sovereign. He can do whatever without consulting us.

If God makes a person gay, does that imply homosexual practice is not a sin?

Homosexual practice is a sin. We all sin, gay or not. We all need the Paraclete living in us to transform our lives. Ask the Holy Spirit who is dwelling in you. He will teach you all truths (Jn 14:26).

What do you mean when you talk about God making someone gay? No one is born gay if that's what you're saying. If someone was born gay then homosexual practice would not be a sin for them. Just like it's not a sin for someone born a heterosexual to engage in heterosexual sex (in marriage, of course). Pharaoah was not born for the purpose that God used him for. God chose to use him because of who Pharaoh willingly chose to be before that.

It seems that you are not understanding what Paul wrote there in Romans 9. It has nothing to do with anyone being born a certain way that God determined, but rather has to do with how God, at any time, can use someone for His purposes if He wants to. That doesn't mean that the person never made the choice to be the way they are up to that point when God uses them for His purpose.

 

[tonychanyt]

People aren't born "gay."

See Three types of eunuchs according to Jesus and follow up there.

 

[rturner76]

yes definitely.
i think homosexuality can be put into our minds through our environment and just sin nature as we get older, but i still don't think people are born gay so agree to disagree

I disagree. I knew a guy from summer camp. He used to bounce and twirl and dance all over the place but we were kids so we thought it was just kind oe weird. He got to high school and joined the football team, uh no. He joined the cheerleaders (that didn't make him gay as we all know about GWB being a cheerleader}. A couple of years later he was still a cheerleader for football but was also named choreographer for dance like. I think he even got a couple of letters for it.

He tried, he dated, and he even said at one point, that he would like to marry a certain girl. We were in a group and we not intentionally look at him like "are you sure about that?" Fast forward ten years and he not only has a legal husband (wedding held at the camp we went to but I was not invited still feel funny about that for some reason).

To make a long story longer, I don't think he stood a chance at being straight unless he really forced it. That can turn into a leading a double life situation that I can imagine is very embarrassing. What I'm getting at is it really seemed that he was born gay. His whole life, he never showed an ounce of masculinity. He was dancing and prancing since he could walk.

I'm not saying that they are all born that way. Like George Michael. He used to jam and I loved all of his hits. He was eye candy to the ladies like sexiest man alive stuff. He said he didn't even know he was gay until he was middle age and he really went for it. He said earlier in his life, he only liked women. So I guess it goes either way like born onr or converted to one.

 

[FreeinChrist]

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