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The only time God ever spoke to me in an audible voice was when I was a sleep driving off a mountain. He spoke to me two times in a dream. All other times he spoke to my heart. Mainly he speaks to your heart.
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The only time God ever spoke to me in an audible voice was when I was a sleep driving off a mountain. He spoke to me two times in a dream. All other times he spoke to my heart. Mainly he speaks to your heart.How would God go about doing that? Would it be an audible voice?
If God ask me to kill someone I would kill them in a New York second. And if God had not told me not to kill the person that killed my 18 year old daughter, I was going to kill him very slowly.
The hypothetical I presented assumes for argument that God does exist. But God existing is completely different from whether God is worthy of obedience.It is not my hypothetical, and I want to apologize for one thing before we continue. I assumed, and I should not have, that the hypothetical you presented settled the issue that the Christian God existed.
My intention of the hypothetical was to query just how far people will go when it comes to obeying God. A lot of theists talk with great conviction about how moral God is and how superior a world view that entrenches morality on his existence is. They say that it derives from God, that his existence somehow objectifies and codifies morality to a binary black and white standard.Along with that assumption, I carried over certain principles that I personally attribute to God, but I did so only those principles that I figured to be largely accepted by the Christian community. For one, that God is the Creator of everything, and since He did create everything, He created morality. He created Good.
If that was not your intention with the hypothetical, I apologize for the mistake. I probably should not have butted in.
Anyone who can. Anyone who does an action can be judged.For God? No, he created life and I suppose he in a way takes lives away every single day. In my opinion, God can't do right or wrong.
Who would hold him accountable for his actions? Who's to say what's the right thing for a deity to do?
The hypothetical assumes that the voice talking to you really is God and really is asking you to kill for him.However, for humans, this would be terrible. I would have to think it to be a test from God. He clearly says don't kill in the Ten Commandments, then commands you personally, to kill people. Isn't that kinda like the whole, "tree of knowledge, Adam and Eve" sorta thing?
Personally, I couldn't really kill anyone because I oppose killing for almost any reason unless they pose a real threat to my life or my family's. Any voice that tells me to do otherwise would be noted to a mental health professional.
I don't understand killing in the name of God, but then again, I don't understand killing of any kind.
This thread is very revealing. Certainly showing up the foul notion of "objective morality".If God ask me to kill someone I would kill them in a New York second. And if God had not told me not to kill the person that killed my 18 year old daughter, I was going to kill him very slowly.
Why? Doesn't that make us more moral than God?No, it is not wrong. God is entitled to step outside the laws He set for humanity.
And kills all the innocents along with them? God who can do all things? Really?If he decides to destroy a particular group of people, it is usually as punishment for wickedness & disobedience eg. Sodom & Gomorrah, the global flood of 2304 BC.
No evidence of this. The Israelites whined constantly about how awful everything was. Didn't necessarily mean that it was.Sometimes he destroys the wicked because they have outnumbered the good & are basically spiritually decaying as recorded in the ancient scriptures by some of the prophets.
Unless they had iron chariots, of course. Remember: god is powerless against iron chariots.Oftentimes he used Israel to destroy the wicked, pagan people such as the Amalekites, Hittites & others.
Got any proof of that?If God did not intervene in certain points in the Earth's past, there probably would have been no more believers left; paganism & other occultic practices, for instance, tend to permeate a society rather quickly.
No, it is not wrong. God is entitled to step outside the laws He set for humanity.
If you're going to say that God has committed genocide to maintain the level of believers in him and then argue that as a good reason for mass murder you're not getting any support from here. For shame.If he decides to destroy a particular group of people, it is usually as punishment for wickedness & disobedience eg. Sodom & Gomorrah, the global flood of 2304 BC. Sometimes he destroys the wicked because they have outnumbered the good & are basically spiritually decaying as recorded in the ancient scriptures by some of the prophets. Oftentimes he used Israel to destroy the wicked, pagan people such as the Amalekites, Hittites & others. If God did not intervene in certain points in the Earth's past, there probably would have been no more believers left; paganism & other occultic practices, for instance, tend to permeate a society rather quickly.
Maybe you cannot read God never ask me to kill anyone, I was going to kill out of pure hate. God stopped me from doing that. But if God or the president asks me to kill I would do so because of honor and duty, has nothing to do with moral judgment.What if the person who killed your daughter justified it with; "God commanded me to do it." The fact that you wouldn't stop and think about what is being asked of you before you act on it is a little frightening and doesn't show an ounce of moral judgement. God never intended us to be mindless robots who blindly follow orders.
No, it is not wrong. God is entitled to step outside the laws He set for humanity. If he decides to destroy a particular group of people, it is usually as punishment for wickedness & disobedience eg. Sodom & Gomorrah, the global flood of 2304 BC. Sometimes he destroys the wicked because they have outnumbered the good & are basically spiritually decaying as recorded in the ancient scriptures by some of the prophets. Oftentimes he used Israel to destroy the wicked, pagan people such as the Amalekites, Hittites & others. If God did not intervene in certain points in the Earth's past, there probably would have been no more believers left; paganism & other occultic practices, for instance, tend to permeate a society rather quickly.
Maybe you cannot read God never ask me to kill anyone, I was going to kill out of pure hate. God stopped me from doing that. But if God or the president asks me to kill I would do so because of honor and duty, has nothing to do with moral judgment.
Anyone who can. Anyone who does an action can be judged.
The hypothetical assumes that the voice talking to you really is God and really is asking you to kill for him.
What did I miss, pray tell?Well hopefully someone else understood what I said because you seem to have completely ignored the point I was making.
I would.I think the real problem comes in when people believe that God occasionally gives humans the same exemption too. It's one thing to say that God can kill children and it's still moral. I don't understand the reasoning behind it but it's not something I would be really worried about someone believing.
I would.
It would then become a question of why they think that, because odds are they think it because they would grant God the right to do anything. This would mean that by their own argument, if God asked them to kill they would do it.
Not answering anything by you until you answer the OP.What does the word God signify to you?
God to me is nothing. I am an atheist. I by definition reject any reason to believe in any God(s). How I respond to other theists when they talk of God depends very much on their definition of God. I can recognise and adapt to definitions of God given to me and apply discussion from there.If God orders the killing of a group of people, no it is not wrong, it is right.
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