If evolution is true, what is the point of God?

[Amleto]

I got confronted by this question (obviously by a YEC) and proposed that the 'point' is still the same.

I think what she may have meant was

"If evolution is true then is God necessary?"

In either case, how would you answer?

Thanks.

 

[wblastyn]

Well natural does not mean "without God" (unless you are an atheist). Christianity believes God is in control of all natural laws in the universe including evolution, so of course we believe God is needed otherwise the universe would not run properly. To say otherwise is not Christianity.

 

[fragmentsofdreams]

God is still relevent if evolution is true in the same way He remains relevent if gravity is true. A Universe that can run normally without direct and visible intervention from its Creator is one that is well-designed.

 

[seebs]

It depends on what you mean by "necessary". However, so far as I can tell, there's no big difference between "God created the universe" and "God created the universe", which are the respective claims of theistic evolution and creationism.

No, wait. I got them backwards; it's the other way around.

 

[Ark Guy]

Funny how the Theo-Evos on this forum never argue for intelligent design...instead they PUSH evolution by random mutation that is selected by nature.

Now if evolutions is just plain pure and simple natural chance...then why God?

Besides if God used evolution, then why not just say so in the creation story? If God used evolution then why did he say six days? Why did he say Adam was created from the dust? Why did he say Eve was made form his side?

Why not say just man was created from pre-existing animals? I mean, if God used evolution.

 

[Bushido216]

Everything needed a starting point, certainly the Universe did.

Humans need to get souls from somewhere.

 

[Ark Guy]

Everything needed a starting point, certainly the Universe did.

Exactly...and the bible tells us in the accounts presented in Genesis and in the ten commandments that it took six literal days...or can you show me otherwise with scripture references

 

[fragmentsofdreams]

Funny how the Theo-Evos on this forum never argue for intelligent design...instead they PUSH evolution by random mutation that is selected by nature.

I do not support intelligent design because it makes claims about where God has intervened which cannot be proven scientifically.

Now if evolutions is just plain pure and simple natural chance...then why God?

First, I haven't said that evolution is simple chance.

Second, I have come to the conclusion that God exists through my personal experience. That is why God.

Besides if God used evolution, then why not just say so in the creation story? If God used evolution then why did he say six days? Why did he say Adam was created from the dust? Why did he say Eve was made form his side?

Because God wasn't revealing to the Hebrews a biology textbook. God revealed the Isrealites that He created everything (the heavens, the sun, the moon, the stars, the land, the seas, the plants, the animals) and that He created man in his own image. Genesis does just this.

Why not say just man was created from pre-existing animals? I mean, if God used evolution.

See above.

 

[seebs]

Fragments made my post before I got around to it, so I'll just give him a hearty "AMEN!"

 

[wblastyn]

Funny how the Theo-Evos on this forum never argue for intelligent design...instead they PUSH evolution by random mutation that is selected by nature.

Some designs aren't intelligent.

Now if evolutions is just plain pure and simple natural chance...then why God?

It's not chance, Natural Selection is the opposite of random. Are you saying that the basic statement of atheism is correct, that natural="without God". Christianity teaches that God is in control of everything, He is needed to sustain nature.

Besides if God used evolution, then why not just say so in the creation story? If God used evolution then why did he say six days? Why did he say Adam was created from the dust? Why did he say Eve was made form his side?

The story is teaching theological points to a bunch of ancient Hebrews, do you seriously think they could even understand evolution even if it was relevant (considering you can't seem to understand it, I would say no).

Why not say just man was created from pre-existing animals? I mean, if God used evolution.

To indicate that we are distinct from animals? Theology, not science.

 

[Ark Guy]

Because God wasn't revealing to the Hebrews a biology textbook. God revealed the C everything (the heavens, the sun, the moon, the stars, the land, the seas, the plants, the animals) and that He created man in his own image. Genesis does just this.

True, God was not revealing a biology text book..that has never been the argument unless your an evo and want to divert the direction of the thread.

You mention that God was revealing to the Isrealites that He created everything.
In this revelation God said he formed man from the dust, then Eve from Adams side....once again, according to evolutionISM, God was wrong. God used the monkey to man scenario and DID NOT make man from the dust and DID NOT create Eve from Adams side.
So why would God present something to us that is false?


EXPLAIN THAT!!!

 

[Bushido216]

BECAUSE YOU ARE READING IT LITERALLY! DON'T READ IT LITERALLY AND YOU'LL SEE WHERE WE ARE COMING FROM!

RAAAAAA! *Thrashes about room!*

 

[Amleto]

BECAUSE YOU ARE READING IT LITERALLY! DON'T READ IT LITERALLY AND YOU'LL SEE WHERE WE ARE COMING FROM!

RAAAAAA! *Thrashes about room!*

I know how you feel! lol

 

[Mr.Cheese]

I think we buy too heavily into empiricism.

Ultimately I don't see how which side of the creation fence you stand on has anything to do with the necessity of God. The issue is whether you believe or not. If we did happen to evolve, how does that negate the necessity of God? If he initiated and oversaw our development then He is certainly necessary. If that is a bunch of bull and we were brought into being as humans already, then again, God is necessary.

There is no reason to condemn anyone for where they stand. It's ok to disagree though.

 

[fragmentsofdreams]

Fragments made my post before I got around to it, so I'll just give him a hearty "AMEN!"

I finally beat seebs to the punch!

 

[fragmentsofdreams]

True, God was not revealing a biology text book..that has never been the argument unless your an evo and want to divert the direction of the thread.

You mention that God was revealing to the Isrealites that He created everything.
In this revelation God said he formed man from the dust, then Eve from Adams side....once again, according to evolutionISM, God was wrong. God used the monkey to man scenario and DID NOT make man from the dust and DID NOT create Eve from Adams side.
So why would God present something to us that is false?


EXPLAIN THAT!!!

I think formation of humankind from dust works as a poetic description of the creation of humankind through evolution. It isn't false unless one tries to force it to be literal.

 

[seebs]

Well, let's see.

We have things about the size of dust, we have an eyeblink of God's time, we have humans, ready to receive souls.

Sounds true to me.

 

[Markh]

God kick started the evolution and created the matter.

Also things could not have led to us through simple randomness, God designed the pathway for our evolution evolution was controled and directed by God.

 

[Bushido216]

I'm sorry, the original spam post was removed, just voiding the need for my post.

 

[preston08]

I can't believe people still think evolution without God is possible.

Sure, evolution could be, and probably is true. But it was started, and guided by God (like others have said already)

Can't they see that evolution is not possible without the first cell?

Life doesn't come from out of no where.. God made life.