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If evolution is true, what is the point of God?

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wblastyn

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Well natural does not mean "without God" (unless you are an atheist). Christianity believes God is in control of all natural laws in the universe including evolution, so of course we believe God is needed otherwise the universe would not run properly. To say otherwise is not Christianity.
 
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It depends on what you mean by "necessary". However, so far as I can tell, there's no big difference between "God created the universe" and "God created the universe", which are the respective claims of theistic evolution and creationism.

No, wait. I got them backwards; it's the other way around.
 
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Funny how the Theo-Evos on this forum never argue for intelligent design...instead they PUSH evolution by random mutation that is selected by nature.

Now if evolutions is just plain pure and simple natural chance...then why God?

Besides if God used evolution, then why not just say so in the creation story? If God used evolution then why did he say six days? Why did he say Adam was created from the dust? Why did he say Eve was made form his side?

Why not say just man was created from pre-existing animals? I mean, if God used evolution.
 
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Ark Guy said:
Funny how the Theo-Evos on this forum never argue for intelligent design...instead they PUSH evolution by random mutation that is selected by nature.

I do not support intelligent design because it makes claims about where God has intervened which cannot be proven scientifically.

Now if evolutions is just plain pure and simple natural chance...then why God?

First, I haven't said that evolution is simple chance.

Second, I have come to the conclusion that God exists through my personal experience. That is why God.

Besides if God used evolution, then why not just say so in the creation story? If God used evolution then why did he say six days? Why did he say Adam was created from the dust? Why did he say Eve was made form his side?

Because God wasn't revealing to the Hebrews a biology textbook. God revealed the Isrealites that He created everything (the heavens, the sun, the moon, the stars, the land, the seas, the plants, the animals) and that He created man in his own image. Genesis does just this.

Why not say just man was created from pre-existing animals? I mean, if God used evolution.

See above.
 
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Ark Guy said:
Funny how the Theo-Evos on this forum never argue for intelligent design...instead they PUSH evolution by random mutation that is selected by nature.
Some designs aren't intelligent.

Now if evolutions is just plain pure and simple natural chance...then why God?
It's not chance, Natural Selection is the opposite of random. Are you saying that the basic statement of atheism is correct, that natural="without God". Christianity teaches that God is in control of everything, He is needed to sustain nature.

Besides if God used evolution, then why not just say so in the creation story? If God used evolution then why did he say six days? Why did he say Adam was created from the dust? Why did he say Eve was made form his side?
The story is teaching theological points to a bunch of ancient Hebrews, do you seriously think they could even understand evolution even if it was relevant (considering you can't seem to understand it, I would say no).

Why not say just man was created from pre-existing animals? I mean, if God used evolution.
To indicate that we are distinct from animals? Theology, not science.
 
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fragmentsofdreams said:
Because God wasn't revealing to the Hebrews a biology textbook. God revealed the C everything (the heavens, the sun, the moon, the stars, the land, the seas, the plants, the animals) and that He created man in his own image. Genesis does just this.

True, God was not revealing a biology text book..that has never been the argument unless your an evo and want to divert the direction of the thread.

You mention that God was revealing to the Isrealites that He created everything.
In this revelation God said he formed man from the dust, then Eve from Adams side....once again, according to evolutionISM, God was wrong. God used the monkey to man scenario and DID NOT make man from the dust and DID NOT create Eve from Adams side.
So why would God present something to us that is false?


EXPLAIN THAT!!!
 
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I think we buy too heavily into empiricism.

Ultimately I don't see how which side of the creation fence you stand on has anything to do with the necessity of God. The issue is whether you believe or not. If we did happen to evolve, how does that negate the necessity of God? If he initiated and oversaw our development then He is certainly necessary. If that is a bunch of bull and we were brought into being as humans already, then again, God is necessary.

There is no reason to condemn anyone for where they stand. It's ok to disagree though.
 
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Ark Guy said:
True, God was not revealing a biology text book..that has never been the argument unless your an evo and want to divert the direction of the thread.

You mention that God was revealing to the Isrealites that He created everything.
In this revelation God said he formed man from the dust, then Eve from Adams side....once again, according to evolutionISM, God was wrong. God used the monkey to man scenario and DID NOT make man from the dust and DID NOT create Eve from Adams side.
So why would God present something to us that is false?


EXPLAIN THAT!!!

I think formation of humankind from dust works as a poetic description of the creation of humankind through evolution. It isn't false unless one tries to force it to be literal.
 
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I can't believe people still think evolution without God is possible.

Sure, evolution could be, and probably is true. But it was started, and guided by God (like others have said already)

Can't they see that evolution is not possible without the first cell?

Life doesn't come from out of no where.. God made life.
 
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