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I did contemplate the question.DailyBlessings said:See, you haven't really contemplated the question carefully enough- in the tradition from which that question proceeds, the empirical attributes of the descending tree are only the first step to the consideration of the question.
I wasn't referring to your post actually, but to the OP. Or other responses like telephone's, above.Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win said:I did contemplate the question.
The question can be applied to all sense perceptions.
Did the tree exist before everyone saw it?
Either it did or it did not, but "It is what it is(or not)" is an idea that this tradition is not able to digest since it came from a different tradition.
rev_atheist said:Reality sucks.
DailyBlessings said:I wasn't referring to your post actually, but to the OP. Or other responses like telephone's, above.
Law of Loud said:If a tree falls in a forest and nobody is around to hear it, does it make any sound?
This question is what I would consider to be one of the most antagonizing questions I've ever heard, because the arguments about it consist primarily of, "If nobody can hear it, then there is no sound" and "It creates the vibrations, therefore there is sound".
Instantly, we have a problem in that we haven't defined "sound". The former defines sound as the perception of the vibrations, while the latter defines sound as the vibrations themselves. Without a clear definition of the word "sound", there's bound to be problems.
From Merriam-Webster, sound is defined as "mechanical radiant energy that is transmitted by longitudinal pressure waves in a material medium (as air)". If we follow the Merriam-Webster definition, then indeed the falling tree would cause a sound.
Take that you filthy heathens.
seekthetruth909 said:According to the principles of Quantum Physics it would not make a sound. The tree would not exist at all as a solid object of particles without an observer.
Quantum Physics 101
Of course there's sound. If it's a forest, there's always something around to hear it. Birds, animals, insects...Law of Loud said:If a tree falls in a forest and nobody is around to hear it, does it make any sound?
This question is what I would consider to be one of the most antagonizing questions I've ever heard, because the arguments about it consist primarily of, "If nobody can hear it, then there is no sound" and "It creates the vibrations, therefore there is sound".
Instantly, we have a problem in that we haven't defined "sound". The former defines sound as the perception of the vibrations, while the latter defines sound as the vibrations themselves. Without a clear definition of the word "sound", there's bound to be problems.
From Merriam-Webster, sound is defined as "mechanical radiant energy that is transmitted by longitudinal pressure waves in a material medium (as air)". If we follow the Merriam-Webster definition, then indeed the falling tree would cause a sound.
Take that you filthy heathens.
Not exactly. Decoherence says that a macroscopic object interacts with its environment so much that its wavefunction collapses whether there is an observer or not. So, just like Schrodinger's Cat, the tree does make a sound if it falls, even if no one is around to hear it.seekthetruth909 said:According to the principles of Quantum Physics it would not make a sound. The tree would not exist at all as a solid object of particles without an observer.
Quantum Physics 101
GreenDragon said:Not exactly. Decoherence says that a macroscopic object interacts with its environment so much that its wavefunction collapses whether there is an observer or not. So, just like Schrodinger's Cat, the tree does make a sound if it falls, even if no one is around to hear it.
I suppose that's Quantum Physics 102...
So the observer is the cause of the tree's existence, is it?
Even an uncaused event does not take place without an observer, and hence can I say that the observer is the cause(may be not material cause) for that so-called uncaused event, simply because it doesn't take place without him.
I'd really appreciate your answer.
Gardenia said:Trees don't fall when no one is around, because then who would they crush? (Trees are out to get us!)
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