WretchedGoat
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You are on my ignore list, so please don't waste your time trolling me into a debate.
Resistance IS NOT futile.
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we are entirely our lives. down to the last detail. for good or ill.
An ignore feature in a philosophy forum is one of the most bizarre things I can imagine.You are on my ignore list, so please don't waste your time trolling me into a debate.
Resistance IS NOT futile.
Now that´s all fine and dandy, but what has it got to do with identity?Internal and external go together. You would not know what a teacher is without others inventing that job, and you cannot teach without other people wanting to be taught. We cannot make our own choices without other people making theirs.
I was addressing your assertion that you can´t be unique without others being around. Yes, you can.A creator cannot exist in that role without created beings. If it is his nature to create, he always creates by necessity. I'm personally fine with that idea as a theist.
No, I find the distinction "from internal vs. from external" to be quite pointless.So, can you give an example of what comes from within that makes up at least part of your identity?
So here´s why - for purposes of considering your question - there is no way around positing that the "identity" comes fully "from the internal":How much of your identity would you say comes from the external (culture, community, family, profession) vs. what comes from within you?
An ignore feature in a philosophy forum is one of the most bizarre things I can imagine.
"The philosophy forum is for the critical examination of the rational grounds of our most fundamental beliefs and logical analysis of the basic concepts employed in the expression of such beliefs. Except mine."
You could put all contributors on your ignore list and be assured of a spotless read of the thread.There are a lot of people whose ideas have no need to be expressed and should be kept to themselves, thus they are ignored so they don't dirty up my reading of what is otherwise a decent thread. You for example.
You could put all contributors on your ignore list and be assured of a spotless read of the thread.
I suspect we're all amateur philosophers here; but perhaps I should have added a smiley... here's oneI could also take $25 out of my savings account and put it in my checking account. What is your point atheist? If you're going to make an underhanded comment, do try a bit harder. I have no time for amateurs.
Your identity comes largely from your past life. Duh.
There is much more to it, but that's for you to try and read into it. I wrote exactly what I meant to write. Nothing hidden; nothing veiled. If you don't understand it, that's on you, not me. I'm not in the habit of repeating myself to anyone.
No, I find the distinction "from internal vs. from external" to be quite pointless.
I find "identity/self/me" a useful pragmatic concept at a McDonalds counter and in other context, but not as a philosophical concept.
If you have workable philosophical concepts of "identity", "from external" and "from internal", feel free to share them. Then it might be possible to have a discussion based on these concepts.
So here´s why - for purposes of considering your question - there is no way around positing that the "identity" comes fully "from the internal":
Your implicit premise is: There is a distinction between "the external" and "the internal".
In order to define something as "the internal" you already have to assume an "identity" with which you can associate "the internal" and from which you can distinguish "the external".
Thus, per your question, "identity" defines "the internal", and answers itself.
We either end up with circular definitions, or we end up with inconsistency here. With these two options, I´d go with the first any day, even though this won´t help us make epistemological progress.
Hope this helps with your debate
No way to reasonably know, but a portion comes from each.
I was joking about so called past-lives.Are you merely a passive recipient as life marches by?
Sereiously, our identities are a recipe of:
genetics
upbringing
friends and peers influence
cultural experiences
self-creation
I honestly have had so little to do with socialising and being around other people (including family members) and watching TV and stuff over the past 15 years.... And even when growing up as a child in the '80s I was always kind of a loner and thought it stupid, for example, to stand and look at the flag (Aussie here) while the anthem played, or to mimic the speech patterns and slang and body language of people around me and stuff.... I would say that I'm easily 90 - 95% comprised of what comes from inside of me. I know it beyond a shadow of doubt!How much of your identity would you say comes from the external (culture, community, family, profession) vs. what comes from within you?
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