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Idaho doctor reports a ‘20 times increase’ of cancer in vaccinated patients
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<blockquote data-quote="ThatRobGuy" data-source="post: 76242575" data-attributes="member: 123415"><p>That's a reaction to the fact that the other side tends to "under-check" info before willingly accepting it when it's things that align with their stance on vaccination.</p><p></p><p>For instance, people will search into google 5 & 6 pages deep to compile a list of all of negative things they can possible scrounge up about the vaccine (even if it's unverified anecdotes) and then pride themselves on "I did the research".</p><p></p><p>But then when groups like "America's Frontline Doctors" shows up on the scene, or some anti-mainstream practitioner takes an anti-vaccine stance, they'll seemingly have a willingness to accept it at face value.</p><p></p><p>For instance, this guy's claim:</p><p>"“Since January 1, in the laboratory, I’m seeing a 20 times increase of endometrial cancers over what I see on an annual basis,”"</p><p></p><p>Across the entire US for <a href="https://seer.cancer.gov/statfacts/html/corp.html" target="_blank">2021</a>, new cases of that cancer type was</p><p>[ATTACH=full]306007[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>For <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20201216083814/https://seer.cancer.gov/statfacts/html/corp.html" target="_blank">2020</a></p><p>[ATTACH=full]306005[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>For <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20191124051959/https://seer.cancer.gov/statfacts/html/corp.html" target="_blank">2019</a></p><p>[ATTACH=full]306006[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p></p><p>This "20 times increase" that he claims he's seeing certainly isn't reflected in the national data. 2021 hasn't really deviated from past years.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Now, of course, a much more feasible and grounded explanation would be:</p><p>Amid covid, hospitals (and their in-house labs) - especially hospitals that already had limited capacity to do that kind of work - outsourced quite a bit of of their lab and diagnostics work to independent CLS companies (like Cole Diagnostics, the one this guys runs) that they normally would've done in-house.</p><p></p><p>With in-house laboratory services and the larger CLS companies (like Quest Diagnostics) being heavily focused on Covid testing. Many of these smaller lab companies have started getting a lot more work in areas where they wouldn't have before.</p><p></p><p>Think about it from a practical sense, under normal circumstances, why would a smaller independent lab (with a typical focus on dermatopathology) be handling endometrial/uterine cancer screening lab work? In most cases, they wouldn't (unless a hospitals in-house laboratory was either bogged down or short staffed...which happens to be the case amid covid)</p><p></p><p>So the fact that he's "seeing 20 times more that he previously did" doesn't mean there are 20 times more, clearly that's not the case from the numbers.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ThatRobGuy, post: 76242575, member: 123415"] That's a reaction to the fact that the other side tends to "under-check" info before willingly accepting it when it's things that align with their stance on vaccination. For instance, people will search into google 5 & 6 pages deep to compile a list of all of negative things they can possible scrounge up about the vaccine (even if it's unverified anecdotes) and then pride themselves on "I did the research". But then when groups like "America's Frontline Doctors" shows up on the scene, or some anti-mainstream practitioner takes an anti-vaccine stance, they'll seemingly have a willingness to accept it at face value. For instance, this guy's claim: "“Since January 1, in the laboratory, I’m seeing a 20 times increase of endometrial cancers over what I see on an annual basis,”" Across the entire US for [URL='https://seer.cancer.gov/statfacts/html/corp.html']2021[/URL], new cases of that cancer type was [ATTACH=full]306007[/ATTACH] For [URL='https://web.archive.org/web/20201216083814/https://seer.cancer.gov/statfacts/html/corp.html']2020[/URL] [ATTACH=full]306005[/ATTACH] For [URL='https://web.archive.org/web/20191124051959/https://seer.cancer.gov/statfacts/html/corp.html']2019[/URL] [ATTACH=full]306006[/ATTACH] This "20 times increase" that he claims he's seeing certainly isn't reflected in the national data. 2021 hasn't really deviated from past years. Now, of course, a much more feasible and grounded explanation would be: Amid covid, hospitals (and their in-house labs) - especially hospitals that already had limited capacity to do that kind of work - outsourced quite a bit of of their lab and diagnostics work to independent CLS companies (like Cole Diagnostics, the one this guys runs) that they normally would've done in-house. With in-house laboratory services and the larger CLS companies (like Quest Diagnostics) being heavily focused on Covid testing. Many of these smaller lab companies have started getting a lot more work in areas where they wouldn't have before. Think about it from a practical sense, under normal circumstances, why would a smaller independent lab (with a typical focus on dermatopathology) be handling endometrial/uterine cancer screening lab work? In most cases, they wouldn't (unless a hospitals in-house laboratory was either bogged down or short staffed...which happens to be the case amid covid) So the fact that he's "seeing 20 times more that he previously did" doesn't mean there are 20 times more, clearly that's not the case from the numbers. [/QUOTE]
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