Log in
Register
Search
Search titles only
By:
Search titles only
By:
Forums
New posts
Forum list
Search forums
Leaderboards
Games
Our Blog
Blogs
New entries
New comments
Blog list
Search blogs
Credits
Transactions
Shop
Blessings: ✟0.00
Tickets
Open new ticket
Watched
Donate
Log in
Register
Search
Search titles only
By:
Search titles only
By:
More options
Toggle width
Share this page
Share this page
Share
Reddit
Pinterest
Tumblr
WhatsApp
Email
Share
Link
Menu
Install the app
Install
Forums
Discussion and Debate
Discussion and Debate
Physical & Life Sciences
ID or ToE?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="plindboe" data-source="post: 58030660" data-attributes="member: 27728"><p>Try to quote exactly what you said. Perhaps you made a mistake. In science very specific language is required and it can be easy to say something false if you're not careful with your wording.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>Then how do you respond to an example like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nylonase" target="_blank">this</a>?</p><p></p><p>In any case it's very easy to show that beneficial mutations occur. All you have to accept is the fact that harmful mutations occur and that back mutations occur. A back mutation is a mutation that reverses an initial mutation.</p><p></p><p>This is an example of a substitution:</p><p>AGGCTAA</p><p>AGGTTAA</p><p></p><p>A back mutation is if we later have a new mutation that restores the initial sequence. Like this-></p><p>AGGTTAA</p><p>AGGCTAA</p><p></p><p>So if the first substition was harmful, the back mutation must be beneficial by logical necessity since it reverses any phenotypical effect the mutation might have had.</p><p></p><p>Of course at this point creationists will argue that no new information has been added, and they would be right, but in doing so they've shifted their goalposts to an argument about information instead of whether mutations can be beneficial or not. If you accept harmful mutations and back mutations you also have to accept beneficial mutations.</p><p></p><p>I recommend that you read about the different types of mutations <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutation" target="_blank">here</a>. The article also mentions a couple of beneficial mutations.</p><p></p><p>Peter <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="plindboe, post: 58030660, member: 27728"] Try to quote exactly what you said. Perhaps you made a mistake. In science very specific language is required and it can be easy to say something false if you're not careful with your wording. Then how do you respond to an example like [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nylonase"]this[/URL]? In any case it's very easy to show that beneficial mutations occur. All you have to accept is the fact that harmful mutations occur and that back mutations occur. A back mutation is a mutation that reverses an initial mutation. This is an example of a substitution: AGGCTAA AGGTTAA A back mutation is if we later have a new mutation that restores the initial sequence. Like this-> AGGTTAA AGGCTAA So if the first substition was harmful, the back mutation must be beneficial by logical necessity since it reverses any phenotypical effect the mutation might have had. Of course at this point creationists will argue that no new information has been added, and they would be right, but in doing so they've shifted their goalposts to an argument about information instead of whether mutations can be beneficial or not. If you accept harmful mutations and back mutations you also have to accept beneficial mutations. I recommend that you read about the different types of mutations [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutation"]here[/URL]. The article also mentions a couple of beneficial mutations. Peter :) [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Forums
Discussion and Debate
Discussion and Debate
Physical & Life Sciences
ID or ToE?
Top
Bottom