EnemyPartyII
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Nonsense. You can't "socialise" an inherently heterosexual person into "being gay".
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To the OP:
You can have a gay child. Socialize them into it, and you will have one. Just like religion. Now, later in life, they may disagree with you on that choice, depending on how socially aware they become.
how in the world can you have 1,658 posts on a Christian message board and still not understand that, to a Christian, life on this earth is secondary and that no matter how hard and how difficult and how even painful it might be to do right on this earth, we still would rather do that and support people doing that then watch people do wrong and go to hell???
I don't understand how anyone could hate, let alone abandon their gay child. Personally, I would be overjoyed if my child was gay. Because gay people don't tend to have unintentional pregnancies! Not that I wouldn't be happy to have a straight, bisexual, asexual, transsexual, or intersexed child as well. I hope to love my children for who they are. Also, teach them about safer sex practices, and emphasize using condoms.
I just wanted to see a less negative topic on the first page. *grin* Also, I'm a very bored insomniac.
So its OK to reject a child because he or she is different?Firstly, I find this a little hard to believe. It's all well and good to be idealistic and see your children through rose colored glasses. But I believe that if it did happen, the gravity of the situation would sink in, and you would have reservations. Some of the things you mentioned are more obvious than others. There is no way on God's green earth that you would be "ecstatic" to have a transexual child. Just think about all the flak from your friends and relatives. Transexuality is much more obvious than being gay or bi.
IT is also the mark of a good person and a good parent that such acts of hatred would be confronted rather than use them as an excuse to justify hatred towards a childWhy would you be "ecstatic" to have a child that is going to be subject to hatred, taunts, alienation, discrimination etc? Isn't it easier for any person to be straight?
I wonder what that makes a straight guy like me when I eat right and work out. I must be a disgusting homosexual because they are the only ones that care enough about their health to be vain.So from this thread I've learned that gay men are damned if they don't look after their health, because then they're disgusting STD-ridden drug users, but they're also damned if they do look after their health, because then they're vain and fashion-obsessed.
So its OK to reject a child because he or she is different?
What about a child with downs Syndrome? Or a child with cerebral palsy? Is it acceptable to reject such children because one might receive flak from your friends and relatives?
IT is also the mark of a good person and a good parent that such acts of hatred would be confronted rather than use them as an excuse to justify hatred towards a child
Nonsense. You can't "socialise" an inherently heterosexual person into "being gay".
Of course we can. There's all sorts of behaviors which aren't inherent to being a human, which our children are brought up into. Through operant conditioning and social pressures you can teach a child that virtually anything is normal. There's no way to ostensively define human behavior outside of culture, so whatever cultural scripts are given to children are assumed to be natural and inherent, but they're not. There have been countless peer-reviewed studies done which support this idea. I have none on hand to cite, so take it as you will.
For clarification, are you saying that it's possible to "socialise" a child into being gay, or accepting homosexuality as "normal" behavior?
An important distinction. In fact, if the fairly well evidenced hypothesis that homosexuality has a significant genetic component turns out to be true, a (genetically) homosexual person who has been "socialised" into the mindet that being gay is no worse than being straight is liable to be less psychologically traumatised than one who has been "socialised" into thinking that their thoughts are vile, sinful and liable to land them in eternal hellfire.
Yes, I can see how the actual existence of eternal hellfire would make the latter option better on balance. I don't, however, lend any credence to that hypothesis.
For clarification, are you saying that it's possible to "socialise" a child into being gay, or accepting homosexuality as "normal" behavior?
Of course we can. There's all sorts of behaviors which aren't inherent to being a human, which our children are brought up into. Through operant conditioning and social pressures you can teach a child that virtually anything is normal. There's no way to ostensively define human behavior outside of culture, so whatever cultural scripts are given to children are assumed to be natural and inherent, but they're not. There have been countless peer-reviewed studies done which support this idea. I have none on hand to cite, so take it as you will.
Well, you can do both really, but I was referring to the former. Remembe I said that it's possible to undo socialization through self and social awareness, so there's no guarantee that children will always be exactly what you teach them.
As to the absurdity of it, look at the variety of behaviors in a variety of cultures. I'd be surprised if more than 20% of our thoughts and behaviors were due to genetically inherent properties. Genetics plays a part in homosexuality to be sure, but there's also a large number of social and psychological benchmarks which increase the likelihoof of someone self-identifying as homosexual.
As others have said, you can't change someone's sexual orientation (even if you can sometimes raise them to pretend to conform to certain expectations).You can have a gay child. Socialize them into it, and you will have one. Just like religion. Now, later in life, they may disagree with you on that choice, depending on how socially aware they become.
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