I wonder.....

[rambot]

In my opinion self reflection is the BEST way to become a better person and certainly the best way to improve job performance. At the very least, it's the FIRST step in personal growth; realizing where you faulted and made mistakes and be determined to improve on those mistakes.


What mistakes do you think President Trump has reflected on and what changes do you think he would consider to handle those mistakes better.


Same question about Biden?

 

[iluvatar5150]

Well, Biden's certainly pivoted on immigration.

Trump has... become more wary of NeverTrumpers in his midst.

 

[Brihaha]

Mr Trump has never erred in his life.
While Mr Biden can't remember the mistake he made nine minutes ago. He would admit it though if he could recall it lol. I want to believe Americans deserve better choices but I'm not certain we do.

The sad thing about Trump’s lack of humility is now it's en vogue in America for people to deny their own mistakes. Donald Trump has given people license to act like children and deny their own faults, while scapegoating anyone who disagrees. Our dearth of sufficient childcare in America really took a hit with the rise of Mr Trump and the resulting increase of adults acting like spoiled brats.

 

[Zaha Torte]

In my opinion self reflection is the BEST way to become a better person and certainly the best way to improve job performance. At the very least, it's the FIRST step in personal growth; realizing where you faulted and made mistakes and be determined to improve on those mistakes.


What mistakes do you think President Trump has reflected on and what changes do you think he would consider to handle those mistakes better.


Same question about Biden?

The first step of repentance is to admit when we have done wrong - or it may be more accurate to say when we admit our imperfections.

I think if Trump were re-elected, he would definitely be less likely to defer to others - more likely to use his authority in full - and to fire people he thinks aren't doing the best job.

I don't know if Biden is fully accountable for himself at this point. I hope he gets the help he needs and rests up - so maybe that is what he needs to learn - to accept his limits and rest more.

 

[rambot]

The first step of repentance is to admit when we have done wrong - or it may be more accurate to say when we admit our imperfections.

I think if Trump were re-elected, he would definitely be less likely to defer to others - more likely to use his authority in full - and to fire people he thinks aren't doing the best job.

Trump's turnover rate was 92%.
You want him to break 100%?
Tracking turnover in the Trump administration | Brookings

I don't know if Biden is fully accountable for himself at this point.

Interesting. Have you heard him actually SAY anything to support this viewpoint?

 

[rambot]

Mr Trump has never erred in his life.
While Mr Biden can't remember the mistake he made nine minutes ago. He would admit it though if he could recall it lol. I want to believe Americans deserve better choices but I'm not certain we do.

The sad thing about Trump’s lack of humility is now it's en vogue in America for people to deny their own mistakes. Donald Trump has given people license to act like children and deny their own faults, while scapegoating anyone who disagrees. Our dearth of sufficient childcare in America really took a hit with the rise of Mr Trump and the resulting increase of adults acting like spoiled brats.

I have noted that in my son's christian school, that there is a "pac" of Christians who would be considered "far right" and they managed to get someone elected to the board. This person bullied 3 board members with spiritually abusive language (one of whom is a very, very good friend), and fired two more board members. Then, in an effort to not allow representation for other members, they refused to allow 4 PERFECTLY fine candidates. There were 17 candidates and that particular board member selected 4 candidates (for 4 vacancies) and didn't allow ANY other candidates. So we voted them in on the floor of a meeting. Then a bunch of ballots got destroyed because they were significantly changed and they managed to lose the election for all 4 candidates.
We had 792 people at our parent AGM. Last year there were 40. 650+ in attendance voted AGAINST their candidates.

Because of their duplicity, they lost. But it became evidence that these "far right" types have a very unhealthy desire for power and, more importantly, they believe they are guided by God to attain it which means and dishonest action they take (in their mind) is sanctioned by God.

I don't think that is a healthy OR Christian approach to leadership.

 

[Zaha Torte]

Trump's turnover rate was 92%.
You want him to break 100%?
Tracking turnover in the Trump administration | Brookings

I never claimed that I wanted him to do anything. I said that I think he would do it.

Interesting. Have you heard him actually SAY anything to support this viewpoint?

He never said, "I am not accountable for myself" - but there is enough evidence for any reasonable person to believe it.

He had cards telling him when to sit and/or stand, he would often forget what he was saying midsentence even with teleprompters, he has often made comments about other people making him say or not say things (like "They don't want me to get into that."), he would often have to ask where he was or what he was doing or where he was supposed to go.

They even claimed that he was not able to stand trial over the classified documents he had because his memory was so "limited".

I don't believe it is unreasonable for anyone to believe that he doesn't know what's going on.

 

[rambot]

I never claimed that I wanted him to do anything. I said that I think he would do it.

He never said, "I am not accountable for myself" - but there is enough evidence for any reasonable person to believe it.

So what is your opinion on people who actually say it out loud and believe it about themselves?

 

[Zaha Torte]

So what is your opinion on people who actually say it out loud and believe it about themselves?

My initial reaction would be to doubt their claim.

 

[rambot]

My initial reaction would be to doubt their claim.

Why? Do you think it would be a lack of self awareness, mental health issue or.....?

 

[rambot]

He never said, "I am not accountable for myself" - but there is enough evidence for any reasonable person to believe it.

I'm curious if folks recognize how often the bolded part is used to justify beating on Biden....while not really ever providing strong evidence to do so.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I have noted that in my son's christian school, that there is a "pac" of Christians who would be considered "far right" and they managed to get someone elected to the board. This person bullied 3 board members with spiritually abusive language (one of whom is a very, very good friend), and fired two more board members. Then, in an effort to not allow representation for other members, they refused to allow 4 PERFECTLY fine candidates. There were 17 candidates and that particular board member selected 4 candidates (for 4 vacancies) and didn't allow ANY other candidates. So we voted them in on the floor of a meeting. Then a bunch of ballots got destroyed because they were significantly changed and they managed to lose the election for all 4 candidates.
We had 792 people at our parent AGM. Last year there were 40. 650+ in attendance voted AGAINST their candidates.

Because of their duplicity, they lost. But it became evidence that these "far right" types have a very unhealthy desire for power and, more importantly, they believe they are guided by God to attain it which means and dishonest action they take (in their mind) is sanctioned by God.

I don't think that is a healthy OR Christian approach to leadership.

I think that thirst for power has always been there, but it always had to be couched in religious terms that brought along other baggage that limited their capacity to act on that desire for power. Trump was the first big national figure who made them feel like it was okay to really go for it.

 

[rambot]

I think that thirst for power has always been there, but it always had to be couched in religious terms that brought along other baggage that limited their capacity to act on that desire for power. Trump was the first big national figure who made them feel like it was okay to really go for it.

I do think the righteousness they feel justifies their dishonest machinations though. And as a Christian that is what I feel to be most worrisome....and now it's impacting me, my kid's education, and my community.

If I were to become a member of the minority, that's fine! If I feel obliged to, I can move on. But I am and our community is the majority. If they are uncomfortable with how our schools are run, there are several other christian programs within a 45 minutes drive....some of whom are FAAAAAAAAR more conservative than us. BUT, our program is the most established and has been around the longest. It has a lot more in terms of "material goods" because we incorporated into our local school division so they supplied our school with pretty much everything (desks, smartboards, whiteboards.....literally everything). We own the building, that's it. If they take over and leave the division (which is definitely their goal), everything would be removed from the school.

 

[Zaha Torte]

Why? Do you think it would be a lack of self awareness, mental health issue or.....?

I'm not exactly sure why - but I am reminded of that something I once heard about humility - that the moment you recognize you have it you lose - or something like that.

I would feel that anyone who claimed to not be accountable for themselves - they are recognizing that they are accountable - or something like that.

 

[Zaha Torte]

I'm curious if folks recognize how often the bolded part is used to justify beating on Biden....while not really ever providing strong evidence to do so.

I don't see at as "beating on" him - more like trying to help him personally and the nation as a whole.

What would you consider "strong evidence" and how would I or any of these other "folks" go about obtaining it?

With Biden refusing to take cognitive tests - what more do we have to go on but what we see him do and hear him say?

 

[Always in His Presence]

What mistakes do you think President Trump has reflected on and what changes do you think he would consider to handle those mistakes better.

Trump will not change. It is not in his nature. I don’t think he has reflected on himself at any point

Same question about Biden?

When President Obama’s own people state that Biden has not been right on foreign policy in 40 years (now 50), it is good indication he has the same chance of changing and self reflection that Trump has.

It is interesting that for the last three years “the borders are closed” and now months before an election he starts tightening up the borders. Using the very authority he stated he didn’t have.

 

[rambot]

Trump will not change. It is not in his nature. I don’t think he has reflected on himself at any point

When President Obama’s own people state that Biden has not been right on foreign policy in 40 years (now 50), it is good indication he has the same chance of changing and self reflection that Trump has.

It is interesting that for the last three years “the borders are closed” and now months before an election he starts tightening up the borders. Using the very authority he stated he didn’t have.

Fair answer

 

[rambot]

I never claimed that I wanted him to do anything. I said that I think he would do it.

He never said, "I am not accountable for myself" - but there is enough evidence for any reasonable person to believe it.

He had cards telling him when to sit and/or stand, he would often forget what he was saying midsentence even with teleprompters, he has often made comments about other people making him say or not say things (like "They don't want me to get into that."), he would often have to ask where he was or what he was doing or where he was supposed to go.

They even claimed that he was not able to stand trial over the classified documents he had because his memory was so "limited".

I don't believe it is unreasonable for anyone to believe that he doesn't know what's going on.

Arguably, that's him recognizing a external force keeping him responsible...though I imagine those comments are more lighthearted jabs and his staffers.

Regardless it undercuts your reasoning.


Funny how Trump stating he doesn't need to be responsible for anything and a proven truck record of attempting to avoid accountability so is meaningless to you.

If someone tells you something about themselves that had a lifetime of evidence to support it, you ignore it because you are blinded to that persons true nature, not because they are a good person.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Mistake #1:
US Attorney General Jeff Sessions has been fired by President Donald Trump.
Mr Trump had criticised his top law official for months, mainly over his refusal to oversee the investigation into alleged Russian meddling in favour of Mr Trump's election in 2016.

"Dear Mr President, at your request I am submitting my resignation," he wrote in an undated letter.

"Most importantly, in my time as attorney general, we have restored and upheld the rule of law," Mr Sessions added, while thanking the Republican president.

Mistake #2:

Attorney General William Barr resigns​

But the decision from the former attorney general to rebuke the President’s false claims of widespread fraud in his loss to Democrat Joe Biden represented a final failure of Trump’s often successful attempt to weaponize the Justice Department as a personal and potent political weapon.

You can bet that if there is another Trump Attorney General, he'll do what the Boss tells him to do. None of this "law and order" stuff. Manipulate investigations? Yessir. Promote falsehoods? Yessir. Indict political foes? Oh, yes indeedy. Trump can't even be bothered to hide his ambitions in that direction.

“Look, when this election is over, based on what they have done, I would have every right to go after them,” Trump replied.

 

[A2SG]

Mistake #1:
US Attorney General Jeff Sessions has been fired by President Donald Trump.
Mr Trump had criticised his top law official for months, mainly over his refusal to oversee the investigation into alleged Russian meddling in favour of Mr Trump's election in 2016.

"Dear Mr President, at your request I am submitting my resignation," he wrote in an undated letter.

"Most importantly, in my time as attorney general, we have restored and upheld the rule of law," Mr Sessions added, while thanking the Republican president.

Mistake #2:

Attorney General William Barr resigns​

But the decision from the former attorney general to rebuke the President’s false claims of widespread fraud in his loss to Democrat Joe Biden represented a final failure of Trump’s often successful attempt to weaponize the Justice Department as a personal and potent political weapon.

You can bet that if there is another Trump Attorney General, he'll do what the Boss tells him to do. None of this "law and order" stuff. Manipulate investigations? Yessir. Promote falsehoods? Yessir. Indict political foes? Oh, yes indeedy. Trump can't even be bothered to hide his ambitions in that direction.

“Look, when this election is over, based on what they have done, I would have every right to go after them,” Trump replied.

I wonder if Joe Apairo is on the short list.

-- A2SG, might need another pardon first, though...