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I Thought Bestiality was an Abomination!

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From the AP yesterday
http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060518/LIFESTYLE03/605180359/-1/ARCHIVE
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NEW YORK -- One of the most detailed comparisons yet of human and chimp DNA shows that the split between the two species was a long, messy affair that may even have featured an unusual evolutionary version of breakup sex.
Previous genetic research has shown that chimpanzees and humans are sister species, having split off from a common ancestor about 7 million years ago. The new study goes further by looking at approximately 800 times more DNA than earlier efforts.
That additional data make it possible to determine not just when, but how the split happened. "For the first time we're able to see the details written out in the DNA," said Eric Lander, one of the collaborators on the study. "What they tell us at the least is that the human-chimp speciation was very unusual."
Unusual, indeed.
What they think happened

Humans and chimpanzees first split up about 10 million years ago, the researchers propose.

Then, after evolving in different directions for about 4 million years, they got back together for a brief fling that produced a third, hybrid population with characteristics of both lines.

That genetic collaboration then gave rise to two separate branches -- one leading to humans and the other to chimps.
Supporters and critics
The work has inspired both admiration and skepticism. Many paleontologists have a hard time believing that some of the fossil humans that are known to have lived during that era could have been pairing up with apes.
"It's a totally cool and extremely clever analysis," said Daniel Lieberman, a professor of biological anthropology at Harvard who wasn't involved in the study. "My problem is imagining what it would be like to have a bipedal hominid and a chimpanzee viewing each other as appropriate mates -- not to put it too crudely."
Surprises within the DNA
Past studies that compared human and chimp DNA could only average the differences between a limited number of spots in their genetic codes to come up with a single date for the split, rather than a span of years. The genius of the new study is that it breaks the genetic code into pieces and then looks at each section individually.
Surprisingly, some genes differ so much between the species that they must not have been mixing for the past 10 million years. But others are similar enough that they appear to have been in contact no more than 6.3 million years ago. That finding, and some details about which particular genes split when, led to the researchers' controversial scenario.
The new data also suggest the final human-chimp split was much more recent than the 7 million-year date that fossils and previous studies indicate -- certainly no earlier than 6.3 million years ago, and more likely in the neighborhood of 5.4 million years.

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You can see from the article that the so-called "humans" produced by the first split would not have been modern humans anatomically, much less spiritually. In any case, all this happened before God's contact with man where God made man in(to) His image and gave Him the command to be His representative on earth. Man could only sin once God had given him the freedom to sin. We do not have any Scriptural evidence that God gave this same sort of freedom to any other part of creation, and therefore we cannot know for sure that whatever happened before God reached down to man can be called "sin".

In any case, the research (if true) simply shows a factual record of what happened, not a moral obligation to say that it should happen. If I tell my little brother about the Enron scandal, does that mean that I am advising him to grow up and become a corrupt CEO? Just because the Bible records rapes, does that mean it condones or recommends raping? In the same way, even if the genetic record tells us that "bestiality" (if it is definable for hominids which were obviously not human) happened in our past, that does not in any way recommend that it should happen now.
 
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PaladinValer said:
Yes, the amount of proofs always increases it seems to shine more light of the truth of evolution.
Yet, the amount of "proofs" always increase it seems to shine more light of how HUMOUROUS evolution is.
 
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Knock it all you wish, although you've just shown that the YECs are the first to flash a sword in this thread without any need whatsoever. No one was attacking you yet you attacked us. Please, give us your rationale.
 
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PaladinValer said:
Knock it all you wish, although you've just shown that the YECs are the first to flash a sword in this thread without any need whatsoever. No one was attacking you yet you attacked us. Please, give us your rationale.
it was just sarcasm! even though i don't accept evolution calm down man! it was just a humorous attack on evolution using your words. I was not attacking you.
 
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This is more evidence that with alcohol, anything is possible.

On a more serious note, I think I'll hold judgement on this until more research is done. The problem with accepting research right away is it may be wrong, and that's what the peer review system is for. It's kind of like the Hobbits that were found. Now there is a small minority of scientists that believe they were nothing more than diseased humans. Whether this is correct or not, it'll be interesting to see how this all turns out, though. This is why I love science, though. There's not much scrutiny when it comes to the Creationist community, but in science, everyone tries to trash the other scientists' theories.
 
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f U z ! o N said:
it was just sarcasm! even though i don't accept evolution calm down man! it was just a humorous attack on evolution using your words. I was not attacking you.

Wouldn't you be a tad sensitive if you just realized you were the illegitimate offspring of King Kong and Naomi Watts 7 million years ago.;)

I think the two seed line is looking better and better all the time. Maybe we are each so convinced of our ancestory because we come from different seed lines. A sort of past life recall:D
 
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The human-chimp split refers to when the ancestors of humans and the ancestors of the chimpanzees were the same. This does not mean that there were any significant differences between those that eventually evolved into human and those that eventually evolved into chimpanzees. All those differences came much later. Only 4 million years ago our ancestors were Australophithecus, and if they existed today they would be considered animals and we would be tracing back our common genetic orgins to 3 or 4 million years ago with them instead of with the chimpanzees.

All this talk of humans mating with chimpanzees is pure nonsense. 10 million years ago human ancestors and chimpanzee ancestors were the same species with no significant physiological differences, otherwise it would be impossible for them to mate.
 
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jereth said:
Sadly, just another example of YECists completely misunderstanding and misrepresenting science in order to make an emotive (but totally groundless) argument.

Found humor, shared humor. I was reading the paper over the weekend and felt the need to share. Is it too hard to understand why many doubt this line of science?
 
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It should be noted that some scientists are criticizing this new find. The ideas this article raises are new, so (predictably) there is still debate about it.

I'll reserve judgment until more information becomes available.
 
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