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I researched Black Lives Matter...what I found was quite troubling
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<blockquote data-quote="Ana the Ist" data-source="post: 75279125" data-attributes="member: 302807"><p>Yeah I looked into Black Lives Matter awhile ago myself....because while it was obvious they were an advocacy group, it was hard to tell what they were advocating. This is, in my opinion, a deliberate strategy on their part. </p><p></p><p>Recently another poster said they were advocating for civil rights....I asked what civil rights were they asking for? He basically stated they were against police brutality. This is true, but it's not a civil right....and in reality, I'd say over 99% of Americans are against police brutality. We have laws against police brutality. </p><p></p><p>This is again, a deliberate smokescreen. They are against police. That's police as an institution, not just bad police.</p><p></p><p>The Movement For Black Lives is a collective of black advocacy groups that includes Black Lives Matter. They aren't really about protesting...they're about organizing these various black advocacy groups around the same goals and the same long term strategies. They list these goals and strategies on their website....</p><p></p><p><a href="https://m4bl.org/policy-platforms/reparations/" target="_blank">REPARATIONS – M4BL</a></p><p></p><p>You call read each page of their demands and figure out pretty easily who they are and what they want (divesting and abolishing the police are listed). To put it quite simply, they are communists who want wealth and political power given to them. Wealth and power are literally 90%+ of what they are demanding. For example, under reparations they write....</p><p></p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><em>Reparations for the continued divestment from, discrimination toward and exploitation of our communities in the form of a guaranteed minimum livable income for all Black people, with clearly articulated corporate regulations.</em></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><em>Reparations for the wealth extracted from our communities through environmental racism, slavery, food apartheid, housing</em> <em>discrimination and racialized capitalism in the form of corporate and government reparations focused on healing ongoing physical and mental trauma, and ensuring our access and control of food sources, housing and land</em>.</li> </ol><p>Now, traditionally, communism has centered on class divisions. In the US however, communists realized that even lower class Americans had it relatively well and had some degree of upward mobility. Therefore, they have attempted to center communism around racial divisions instead of class divisions. This modern incarnation is extremely racist as a result. It's black people demanding they be given wealth, including a lifetime welfare check for simply being black, and they demand housing, land, and control of food sources...</p><p></p><p>These are literally the same demands of Russian communists. Let's look at some more...</p><p></p><p><em>A reallocation of funds at the federal, state and local level from policing and incarceration (JAG, COPS, VOCA) to long-term safety strategies such as education, local restorative justice services, and employment programs.</em></p><p></p><p>That's familiar, isn't it?</p><p></p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><em>Through tax incentives, loans and other government directed resources, support the <strong>development of cooperative or social economy networks</strong> to help facilitate trade across and in Black communities globally. <strong>All aid in the form of grants, loans or contracts to help facilitate this must go to Black led or Black supported networks and organizations </strong>as defined by the communities</em>.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><em>Financial support of Black alternative institutions including policy that subsidizes and offers low-interest, interest-free or federally guaranteed low-interest loans to <strong>promote the development of cooperatives (food, residential, etc.), land trusts</strong> and culturally responsive health infrastructures that serve the collective needs of our communities</em></li> </ol><p>As you can see, they only care about black lives...about black people. If you're wondering what all these collective food cooperatives are or why shared land ownership in trusts is so frequently mentioned, it's because shared public ownership of the means of production is the central idea of communism. One of their links is literally called "End Privatization of Resources Policy Brief".</p><p></p><p>Some of what they demand is so self contradictory it's questionable if they even understand the concepts they're advocating...</p><p></p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><em>Direct democratic community control of local, state, and federal law enforcement agencies, ensuring that communities most harmed by destructive policing have the power to hire and fire officers, determine</em> <em>disciplinary action, control budgets and policies, and subpoena relevant agency information.</em></li> </ol><p>In order for democracy to flourish, everyone has to have the ability to participate...not just "marginalized communities". The separate levels of government, local, state, and federal, are no longer separate if they're controlled by the same community. That's not democracy or separation of powers....that's authoritarianism. </p><p></p><p>How can they possibly achieve this though?</p><p></p><p>Well, communist leaders in Russia were fully aware that they could manipulate the public into spreading their propaganda even if those people were clueless about the aims and goals of communists....</p><p></p><p>They called such people "useful idiots".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ana the Ist, post: 75279125, member: 302807"] Yeah I looked into Black Lives Matter awhile ago myself....because while it was obvious they were an advocacy group, it was hard to tell what they were advocating. This is, in my opinion, a deliberate strategy on their part. Recently another poster said they were advocating for civil rights....I asked what civil rights were they asking for? He basically stated they were against police brutality. This is true, but it's not a civil right....and in reality, I'd say over 99% of Americans are against police brutality. We have laws against police brutality. This is again, a deliberate smokescreen. They are against police. That's police as an institution, not just bad police. The Movement For Black Lives is a collective of black advocacy groups that includes Black Lives Matter. They aren't really about protesting...they're about organizing these various black advocacy groups around the same goals and the same long term strategies. They list these goals and strategies on their website.... [URL="https://m4bl.org/policy-platforms/reparations/"]REPARATIONS – M4BL[/URL] You call read each page of their demands and figure out pretty easily who they are and what they want (divesting and abolishing the police are listed). To put it quite simply, they are communists who want wealth and political power given to them. Wealth and power are literally 90%+ of what they are demanding. For example, under reparations they write.... [LIST=1] [*][I]Reparations for the continued divestment from, discrimination toward and exploitation of our communities in the form of a guaranteed minimum livable income for all Black people, with clearly articulated corporate regulations.[/I] [*][I]Reparations for the wealth extracted from our communities through environmental racism, slavery, food apartheid, housing[/I] [I]discrimination and racialized capitalism in the form of corporate and government reparations focused on healing ongoing physical and mental trauma, and ensuring our access and control of food sources, housing and land[/I]. [/LIST] Now, traditionally, communism has centered on class divisions. In the US however, communists realized that even lower class Americans had it relatively well and had some degree of upward mobility. Therefore, they have attempted to center communism around racial divisions instead of class divisions. This modern incarnation is extremely racist as a result. It's black people demanding they be given wealth, including a lifetime welfare check for simply being black, and they demand housing, land, and control of food sources... These are literally the same demands of Russian communists. Let's look at some more... [I]A reallocation of funds at the federal, state and local level from policing and incarceration (JAG, COPS, VOCA) to long-term safety strategies such as education, local restorative justice services, and employment programs.[/I] [I][/I] That's familiar, isn't it? [LIST=1] [*][I]Through tax incentives, loans and other government directed resources, support the [B]development of cooperative or social economy networks[/B] to help facilitate trade across and in Black communities globally. [B]All aid in the form of grants, loans or contracts to help facilitate this must go to Black led or Black supported networks and organizations [/B]as defined by the communities[/I]. [*][I]Financial support of Black alternative institutions including policy that subsidizes and offers low-interest, interest-free or federally guaranteed low-interest loans to [B]promote the development of cooperatives (food, residential, etc.), land trusts[/B] and culturally responsive health infrastructures that serve the collective needs of our communities[/I] [/LIST] As you can see, they only care about black lives...about black people. If you're wondering what all these collective food cooperatives are or why shared land ownership in trusts is so frequently mentioned, it's because shared public ownership of the means of production is the central idea of communism. One of their links is literally called "End Privatization of Resources Policy Brief". Some of what they demand is so self contradictory it's questionable if they even understand the concepts they're advocating... [LIST=1] [*][I]Direct democratic community control of local, state, and federal law enforcement agencies, ensuring that communities most harmed by destructive policing have the power to hire and fire officers, determine[/I] [I]disciplinary action, control budgets and policies, and subpoena relevant agency information.[/I] [/LIST] In order for democracy to flourish, everyone has to have the ability to participate...not just "marginalized communities". The separate levels of government, local, state, and federal, are no longer separate if they're controlled by the same community. That's not democracy or separation of powers....that's authoritarianism. How can they possibly achieve this though? Well, communist leaders in Russia were fully aware that they could manipulate the public into spreading their propaganda even if those people were clueless about the aims and goals of communists.... They called such people "useful idiots". [/QUOTE]
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