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Not because I think there is neccessarily inaccurate statments in any particular creed, but because I don't believe that a creed has really anything to do with whether or not you are redeemed by Christ.
thoughts?
no. But those are statements, not creeds in and of themselves.
Not because I think there is neccessarily inaccurate statments in any particular creed, but because I don't believe that a creed has really anything to do with whether or not you are redeemed by Christ.
thoughts?
What about I believe in the Resurrection of the deadWhat about these:
"I believe in Jesus"
"I believe that Jesus is the Savior"
"I believe that Jesus is Lord"
Do you reject those creeds?
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Of course.
I think it's already been misunderstood though.
the POINT of the OP is, I don't disagree with the contents of this creed, or another, but I "reject them" due to the fact that I don't think creedal adherence has any bearing on salvation. I don't think anyone has to "sign their name on this dotted line" to be Christian.
so far, I've been likened to Universalists.... wonder what's next.
I know some Christians who have never HEARD of the Nicene creed.
I suppose in some peoples books, that would make them quasi or non Christian.
is "adherence" to the creed even remotely neccessary?
what, if anything, does the creed do to impact your position with God?
The word "catholic" in the Creed means "universal" -- it is not referring to the Roman Catholic Church. The Nicene Creed was written at a time when there were no denominations; there was just one Church. This is why the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, and Anglican Churches use the term when they recite the creed.other than the word Catholic.[/font]
Although the Old Testament books were available, the Bible canon as we know it did not come along until the Council of Carthage. Remember, the Bible did not fall from the sky in leatherbound form with the words of Christ in red. It was put together by the Church Fathers in 397.well... kinda.
Not because I think there is neccessarily inaccurate statments in any particular creed, but because I don't believe that a creed has really anything to do with whether or not you are redeemed by Christ.
thoughts?
Creed, from the Latin "credo" It means "I believe."
ANYTIME you make a statement of faith, from "I believe the world is sorta round" to "My mother makes the best pies" to "Jesus is Lord" - those are all creeds.
They are found ALL OVER the Bible. "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the Living God" is one of my favorite creeds.
Blessings to you!
Pax
- Josiah
I would agree that creedal adherence is necessary either, and I do not think scriptures are necessary as well. But we have been given these things for a reason and so I place improtance on creeds and the scriptures, for me they have been very useful in my struggles to stay on the good path to Heaven.
But if your theological thread is about the necessity of the creeds for salvation then I agree. I also submit that scripture is not necessary either. Only the grace and mercy of God through the sacrifice of Jesus and that we have the law on our hearts even if not fully on our minds and we live this law, That is necessary for salvation (IMHO).
no. They do not. Their rejection or acceptance of CREEDS have absolutely nothing to do with the Judgement of God.I agree that ignorance plays a role and plays into culpability.
But for the Christian who is knowledgable of such things and knows of them then I see where they are required to understand and submit themselves eventually to the judgment of God based on their acceptance and/or rejection of such creed(s). Culpability in knowledge that ignorance is forgiven.
that's why I capitalized the word.The word "catholic" in the Creed means "universal" -- it is not referring to the Roman Catholic Church. The Nicene Creed was written at a time when there were no denominations; there was just one Church. This is why the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, and Anglican Churches use the term when they recite the creed.
yeah. I know. But the scriptures themselves preexist the creeds.Although the Old Testament books were available, the Bible canon as we know it did not come along until the Council of Carthage. Remember, the Bible did not fall from the sky in leatherbound form with the words of Christ in red. It was put together by the Church Fathers in 397.
except it's been used as a hammer to say to people whether or not they are acceptable. (read: terms of use on this site as an example.) I am not challenging their RIGHT to do so, their site, their rules, I merely use it as a common example.The Creed was never intended to supercede scriptural authority or to be a salvific point. It was written prior to the formation of the Bible canon, and its intent was to be a concise statement of Christian beliefs.
then lets make it more about that, and less about signing on a dotted line.Remember, one of the reasons the First Ecumenical Council of Nicea was formed by Emperor Constantine was to combat Arian heresy. By writing the Creed, it became a litmus test of sorts to say "this is what Christian beliefs are. If you are outside these beliefs, you are not a Christian." It asks the questions of "Do you believe in the Trinity?" "Do you believe in the dual nature of Christ?" "Do you believe in the virgin birth?" "Do you believe in the death and resurrection of Christ?" To all these things a true Christian must answer in the affirmative "I believe."
no more than usual, just calling the shot.Feelin' a little tender today, Yoobee?
no problem.... it's not like it's an alien concept to me.Oh dear. Be prepared to have the your post deleted. Mine was for challenging the creed.
You think discussion on the creeds has nothing to do with theology? And why not!How is this related to Theology?
That isn't the purpose for creeds though. In order to be redeemed by Christ you have to get to know God.Not because I think there is neccessarily inaccurate statments in any particular creed, but because I don't believe that a creed has really anything to do with whether or not you are redeemed by Christ.
thoughts?
This is what happens when people judge others with little information. They start placing labels on people, or the ever so innocent suggestion of labels.You would make a great Unitarian Universalist.
yeah. I know. But the scriptures themselves preexist the creeds.
except it's been used as a hammer to say to people whether or not they are acceptable.
then lets make it more about that, and less about signing on a dotted line. that's all it's really turned out to be in the long run.
I know some Christians who have never HEARD of the Nicene creed.
I suppose in some peoples books, that would make them quasi or non Christian.
is "adherence" to the creed even remotely neccessary?
what, if anything, does the creed do to impact your position with God?
Eegads this coming from the church that says muslims are in the salvation picture...
Jack is a mod and a friend lighten up, its a chuck norris bruce lee joke.Your post is downright offensive! Threatening violence against another member because you disagree with him?
Where are the mods??!!!
He never said the Creed was God's word. Furthermore, every part of the Nicene Creed can be found IN the Bible.
Not to mention, the Creed existed before the Bible did!
It suggests a bit more here...lookMaybe I'm ignorant about what exactly you are talking about but aren't all men and women around the world in the salvation picture? After all, Jesus came to save the world, not just certain people in it. If that is true, then we all, including Muslims, in the salvation picture.
I might add, there's alot of them being converted now.
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