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[Highway of Life]

Almost scared you with the title didn't I? hehe.

Actaully, I am debating in the General Apologetics on the Shroud of Turin.

A gentleman just made this statement

Isn't the position of the Catholic Church in regard to the shroud that they are NOT officially proclaiming it to be the shroud of Jesus? That should tell you something.
I would venture to guess that church politics is one of the main ingrediants in their newfound reluctance to allow testing, as better methods of analysis might prove it to be man-made and upset the faithful. The church probably knows it is a fake, but anything that promotes the faith, they allow. This thing is traditionally revered, and they aren't going to upset the apple cart, any more than they discouraged the display of bone fragments and hundreds of other holy relics alleged to be pieces of the saints years ago.

I don't know the Catholic Church position on the Shroud, but if any of you know, or if any of you can find out, it would be a great help. Please feel free to post your findings in the thread: The Shroud of Turin

Thank you for your help.

In Christ,
Highway of Life

 

[Aaron-Aggie]

Almost scared you with the title didn't I? hehe.

Actaully, I am debating in the General Apologetics on the Shroud of Turin.

A gentleman just made this statement



I don't know the Catholic Church position on the Shroud, but if any of you know, or if any of you can find out, it would be a great help. Please feel free to post your findings in the thread: The Shroud of Turin

Thank you for your help.

In Christ,
Highway of Life

The church will never proclaim that its the actrual Shroud becuase there is no way for us to know unless God decied to send a messanger to prove so.

 

[InnerPhyre]

Wasn't it carbon dated to around 1400 AD?

 

[Paul S]

Wasn't it carbon dated to around 1400 AD?

Yes, but there's probably some problems with the testing. The samples were from a part of the Shroud that had been handled a lot over the years and was damaged by fire. There's also a theory that bacteria on the Shroud are messing up the test.

I think if we ignore the carbon-dating test, all the other evidence points to it being real, and there's too many problems right now with the carbon dating to be reliable.

 

[Highway of Life]

Yes, but there's probably some problems with the testing. The samples were from a part of the Shroud that had been handled a lot over the years and was damaged by fire. There's also a theory that bacteria on the Shroud are messing up the test.

I think if we ignore the carbon-dating test, all the other evidence points to it being real, and there's too many problems right now with the carbon dating to be reliable.

Yes, this is true. Actually if you read what I posted, I have adressed the Carbon Dating.

And the Shroud has been reported to have been seen long before 1400 AD.

Blessings

 

[thereselittleflower]

Hi

Though the Church has not made any formal declaration, just turn the tatic your "friend" used back on him . . .

Actions speak louder than words . . .


How does the Church treat the shroud?

That should tell him something about what the Church actually thinks about it


Peace in Him!

 

[Highway of Life]

Hi

Though the Church has not made any formal declaration, just turn the tatic your "friend" used back on him . . .

Actions speak louder than words . . .


How does the Church treat the shroud?

That should tell him something about what the Church actually thinks about it

Peace in Him!

Hey Therese!

Yes, actually I don't really know what the church thinks about it, and I don't want to post something incorrect. If you know how the church treats it, or what they consider the shroud, please feel free to post it, you usually put things very well

Blessings,
Highway

 

[Epiphanygirl]

I just watched a show about this on PBS last night, It was very informative.
As for the carbon dating, they've proven that the cloth was taken from the wrong area(top corner) where it was hung and handled to display, lots of contamination.
I found out about the "sister cloth" to the shroud, which I didn't know existed. This cloth was used to wrap the head before taking Christ down from the cross. It has been in a Church in Spain since the 7th century. It was sent in a beautiful orante box, along with other relics, from Jerusalem(proven). What is also proven is it is the same blood that is on both cloths (type AB) Any of you interested might want to go to the PBS site and see if they have the show listed for your area.

 

[AMDG]

I found out about the "sister cloth" to the shroud, which I didn't know existed. This cloth was used to wrap the head before taking Christ down from the cross. It has been in a Church in Spain since the 7th century. It was sent in a beautiful orante box, along with other relics, from Jerusalem(proven).

I believe that is The Sudarium of Oviedo. Your can read more about it at www.shroud.com/guscin.htm

There's an interesting news story on the shroud itself at http://news.nationalgeograhic.com/news/2004/04/0409_040409_TVJesusshroud.html

Also www.historian.net/shroud.htm

And, of course, www.shroud.com

 

[Epiphanygirl]

I believe that is The Sudarium of Oviedo. Your can read more about it at www.shroud.com/guscin.htm

There's an interesting news story on the shroud itself at http://news.nationalgeograhic.com/news/2004/04/0409_040409_TVJesusshroud.html

Also www.historian.net/shroud.htm

And, of course, www.shroud.com

Thanks, I couldn't remember the name "Suderium"

 

[lionroar0]

How does he know it's considered a relic by the Church when it has not made an official statement about it?

This thing is traditionally revered, and they aren't going to upset the apple cart, any more than they discouraged the display of bone fragments and hundreds of other holy relics alleged to be pieces of the saints years ago.

This is a red herring. Has nothing to do with the Shroud of Turin. It has to do with reliques of the Church.

His changing the subject to what the Church considers to be reliques and using the Shroud of Turin which he already has stated the Church has not made an official statement on it.

There maybe Catholics just as other Christians that belief the Shroud is real just as there are Catholics and otyher Christians that belief it is not.

His argument agaisnt the Churches stand on the Shroud falls short of analyses

Also does he know what the Church considers a reliques?

 

[nyj]

While science has seemingly proven that the Shroud dates from the 13th century, science also has not been able to reproduce the "technique" that rendered the original shroud in the first place.

So, the question is... why can't science do that? Where does our technology fall short, as compared to the technology of the 13th century?

 

[Highway of Life]

While science has seemingly proven that the Shroud dates from the 13th century, science also has not been able to reproduce the "technique" that rendered the original shroud in the first place.

So, the question is... why can't science do that? Where does our technology fall short, as compared to the technology of the 13th century?

OOOh, yes, I like that, I am going to use this quote. I won't put your name on it, unless you want me to.

Highway