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I need prayers about the Once Saved Always Saved teaching and John MacArthur

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I understand what John MacArthur says about Once Saved Always Saved and what he has said in the past about the Mark of the Beast and other things like the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Please pray for the people who listen to him that they wont be deceived and please pray for me that I don't become influenced by any of this in my thoughts, words or actions or lead anyone else astray; but instead follow what the bible says. Also this is not written to attack John MacArthur (please pray for him also before it is too late), but just out of concern, Thank you and God Bless. (Also please pray that I don't believe in once saved always saved)
 

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I understand what John MacArthur says about Once Saved Always Saved and what he has said in the past about the Mark of the Beast and other things like the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Please pray for the people who listen to him that they wont be deceived and please pray for me that I don't become influenced by any of this in my thoughts, words or actions or lead anyone else astray; but instead follow what the bible says. Also this is not written to attack John MacArthur (please pray for him also before it is too late), but just out of concern, Thank you and God Bless. (Also please pray that I don't believe in once saved always saved)

Praying for John MacArthur, and you too. (((hug)))
 
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I understand what John MacArthur says about Once Saved Always Saved and what he has said in the past about the Mark of the Beast and other things like the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Please pray for the people who listen to him that they wont be deceived and please pray for me that I don't become influenced by any of this in my thoughts, words or actions or lead anyone else astray; but instead follow what the bible says. Also this is not written to attack John MacArthur (please pray for him also before it is too late), but just out of concern, Thank you and God Bless. (Also please pray that I don't believe in once saved always saved)


I would like to know what exactly about J. M teachings on OSAS that you find does not agree with what the Bible says.

Yes the way you word this it is an attack on him personally. Why is it too late for him? I cant help but wonder why you picked J M out of the many Bible teachers / preachers there are that believe in OSAS. For example, Tony Evans, Chip Ingram, Charles Stanley, Michael Youssef, Adrian Rogers, Philip Yancey, Lloyd Ogilvie. Ed young, Billy Graham,D. James kennedy, Dwight Pentecost, Andy Stanley, Rick Warren, Charles Swindoll just to name a few who are just as vocal on the subject of OSAS.

All of the men I listed have a much higher level of serious study then either of us, and I am very careful to make such a charge on J M or any of these men.

I encourage you to look at the missionaries who are in the field and what the preach. More often than not those who are the most in numbers are those who believe in eternal security of the believer. Rather than pinpointing out one person on this OSAS do a reason you do not believe Scripture teaches this. You might not like J M but he is a brother in Christ and may I suggest you reread John 13:34,35. We are brothers in Christ, we do not all have to agree, but we are not to be disagreeable.
 
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I would like to know what exactly about J. M teachings on OSAS that you find does not agree with what the Bible says.

Yes the way you word this it is an attack on him personally. Why is it too late for him? I cant help but wonder why you picked J M out of the many Bible teachers / preachers there are that believe in OSAS. For example, Tony Evans, Chip Ingram, Charles Stanley, Michael Youssef, Adrian Rogers, Philip Yancey, Lloyd Ogilvie. Ed young, Billy Graham,D. James kennedy, Dwight Pentecost, Andy Stanley, Rick Warren, Charles Swindoll just to name a few who are just as vocal on the subject of OSAS.

All of the men I listed have a much higher level of serious study then either of us, and I am very careful to make such a charge on J M or any of these men.

I encourage you to look at the missionaries who are in the field and what the preach. More often than not those who are the most in numbers are those who believe in eternal security of the believer. Rather than pinpointing out one person on this OSAS do a reason you do not believe Scripture teaches this. You might not like J M but he is a brother in Christ and may I suggest you reread John 13:34,35. We are brothers in Christ, we do not all have to agree, but we are not to be disagreeable.

It was a prayer request. Not a debate. If you dont like it don't read it or pm member.
 
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It was a prayer request. Not a debate. If you dont like it don't read it or pm member.


Too bad you jumped me. The person privately contacted me and he wanted to dialogue and we are. So don't be so upset.
 
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Father may you guide this member to realize Your grace and Jesus' one time atonement for all sin...as You gave us time of past present future but to You everything is "present". Thank you for salvation...what would we do without You?
 
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I understand what John MacArthur says about Once Saved Always Saved and what he has said in the past about the Mark of the Beast and other things like the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Please pray for the people who listen to him that they wont be deceived and please pray for me that I don't become influenced by any of this in my thoughts, words or actions or lead anyone else astray; but instead follow what the bible says. Also this is not written to attack John MacArthur (please pray for him also before it is too late), but just out of concern, Thank you and God Bless. (Also please pray that I don't believe in once saved always saved)

I'M praying you'll come to you senses and realize MacArthur is right about this and a whole lot of other things. If you think you have to work to keep your salvation, you probably haven't received it yet. I pray you come to know the Lord who died for your sins, once for all time.
 
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I'M praying you'll come to you senses and realize MacArthur is right about this and a whole lot of other things. If you think you have to work to keep your salvation, you probably haven't received it yet. I pray you come to know the Lord who died for your sins, once for all time.


You post come across in an angry tone, is that what you wanted? I think its better to ask more questions and then dialogue about the issues and perhaps you can help others see the mistaken ideas they may have gotten from someone else. Just something to consider.
 
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I'M praying you'll come to you senses and realize MacArthur is right about this and a whole lot of other things. If you think you have to work to keep your salvation, you probably haven't received it yet. I pray you come to know the Lord who died for your sins, once for all time.

Good afternoon friends. I felt compelled to comment on this topic. Let's consider the notion of once saved always saved.
This is not a notion supported in the bible nor the direct teachings of Jesus or any of the early apostles.
Please examine Matt 24:13 which states "the one who endures to the end will be saved." The end has not come yet. Thus we will have no idea who is saved until they are actually saved. Once you except Jesus as your lord and pledge to follow his instruction, the work begins there. That is not the end. So the notion of being "saved" is a gross misunderstanding of the scriptures. For instance: Through holy spirit the "12" were chosen. This included Judas. Thus at the time of his appointment, he was considered worthy. Even though the scriptures said one will betray the Christ, it did not mention who. Thus all were worthy of the Kingdom of God upon their individual appointment. Then Judas became ensnared by greed and fell. Thus he became unworthy. Thus he will not be "saved" at the time of the end.

Friends, do not be misled into following non-scriptural doctrines. The scripture at John 3:16 reads "For God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not die but have eternal life" The word believes indicates an ongoing occurrence, not a one time thing such as the word "believed." It is possible for one to believe, then fall short from the sin that easily ensnares us: lack of faith. Hebrews 12 which follows Hebrews 11 the very definition of faith and plenty of examples.

I know this notion is rooted deep within some of the readers here, yet Paul describes a running of a race. Hence there is ongoing work to do for salvation. So friends, no one living has yet been saved. When the end comes, we will all know. If you think you have been saved, please tell me this: saved from what?
Till next....
 
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I understand what John MacArthur says about Once Saved Always Saved and what he has said in the past about the Mark of the Beast and other things like the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Please pray for the people who listen to him that they wont be deceived and please pray for me that I don't become influenced by any of this in my thoughts, words or actions or lead anyone else astray; but instead follow what the bible says. Also this is not written to attack John MacArthur (please pray for him also before it is too late), but just out of concern, Thank you and God Bless. (Also please pray that I don't believe in once saved always saved)

Are you very afraid of being misled?
IMO, you are right to read the bible for yourself. It also says the Holy Spirit will lead you into all truth.
Since God only knows everybody's heart really, we can't judge.
Was that the issue? You are afraid you or others might be misled and lose their salvation because of it?
 
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Also please pray that I don't believe in once saved always saved

Hi Farout, here's the Biblical way to defend the Truth, against the Once Saved Always Saved doctrine of men.

Salvation Forsaking Sins
(If Unrepentant Until Death)
1 Refusing to Forgive One Who Asks Forgiveness
- Matthew 6:15
- Matthew 18:35
- Mark 11:26
- Luke 6:37
2 Unrepentant Shame of Messiah
/ Unwillingness to Die for Messiah
- Matthew 10:32-33+37-39
- Matthew 16:24-25
- Mark 8:34-38
- Luke 9:23-26+62
Unforgivable Sins
3 Harming a Faithful Child
- Matthew 18:6
4 Taking the Mark of the Beast
- Revelation 14:9-12
- Revelation 20:4
5 Believing / Preaching a False Gospel; after having known the Truth
- Hebrews 6:4-6
- Hebrews 10:26-31
- Galatians 1:6-9
6 Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit
- Matthew 12:31-32
- Mark 3:28-29
- Luke 12:10

Finally,
Once Saved Always Saved is TRUE,
because, we are not saved yet,
but have entered into the Grace of God,
through His Sacrifice as Jesus Christ.
BUT
According to Jesus,
we shall be Saved when He returns,
when we are Resurrected Incorruptible.

He who endures to the end, shall be saved.
- Matthew 10:22
- Matthew 24:13
- Matthew 25:31-46
- Mark 13:13
- Mark 16:16
- John 10:9
- Acts 15:11
- Romans 5:9-10
- 1st Corinthians 4:5
- 1st Corinthians 15:51-58
- Colossians 3:4
 
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Here is a partial list of Scripture against OSAS either directly or in type.
Gen 19:26 But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.

Exo 12:22 And ye shall take a bunch of hyssop, and dip it in the blood that is in the bason, and strike the lintel and the two side posts with the blood that is in the bason; and NONE OF YOU SHALL GO OUT at the door of his house until the morning.
Exo 12:23 For the LORD will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when he seeth the blood upon the lintel, and on the two side posts, the LORD will pass over the door, and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your houses to smite you.

Exo 32:33 And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

1Sa 16:14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

1Ch 28:9 And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever.

Psa 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

Eze 3:20 Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

Eze 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

Eze 18:26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.

Eze 33:12 Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.

Mat 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

Mat 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Luk 8:12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
Luk 8:13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

Luk 12:45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
Luk 12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him,and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

Joh 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Joh 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and everybranch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

Act 8:13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Act 8:20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
Act 8:21 Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.
Act 8:22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
Act 8:23 For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.

Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Php 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Col 1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

1Ti 1:19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:

1Ti 3:6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

1Ti 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

1Ti 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

1Ti 5:15 For some are already turned aside after Satan.

2Ti 2:11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
2Ti 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Heb 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Jas 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Jas 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Heb 12:15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;

2Pe 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
2Pe 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
1Jn 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.

Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
 
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Thank You DWBID42 :)

YHWH inspired me, yesterday, to search the OT for passages about forsaking His Grace; but I felt worn out, so I ignored Him and just listed verses from the NT. Then just 30 minutes ago, as I was making Tea, I was thinking about giving up the struggle against sin, but by the time I finished drinking the Tea, I saw your post, already there, waiting, as a gentle rebuke from YHWH, to get me back onto His path :)

Specifically, 1st Chronicles 28:9.

And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever.

Thanks for writing it out, instead of simply listing verses, as I did. Reading those words put the Fear of YHWH in me and I repented immediately. I feel rejuvenated :)

You will be rewarded in the Kingdom
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Endure till the End
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Halleluyah!
 
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Some times its best not to say anything. Well if someone is weaker in the faith then they can hinder the prayer. Or can do what happen here. Some tend to see the person being talked about or asked about more then what is asked. So to say.. well I will pray for him. as we should be praying for all our family that we all dont fall or stumble.

Your words.."this is NOT" should not be forgotten.. :) For you.. we are not here to please man but our Father period.
 
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