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I had a Christian upbringing but i pretty much denounced it for the last few years. Now i am in the military and stationed in a town FULL of churches. I started going to church with a friend, later finding out it is apart of the UPC. I came back to God and my life has changed drastically. I did a complete 180. After i established a relationship with Christ and reading the Word I felt uneasy in this church. I then found our about their Oneness (or Jesus Only) Doctrine, and found that they believe you MUST speak in tongues to be saved. (They believe tongues is intial evidence of being Baptized in the Holy Spirit). Anyway, met some great people through the church and they are really caring people. Also they follow up with their new members if they miss a church session (let alone two). Over all their belief of "My way or the highway" or "You need Baptism in Jesus name and their version of Baptism of the Spirit or you are not saved" is a dangerous doctrine in my view. I just can't find a nice way out. I dont want to tell them I think they are wrong and cult like because they have twisted the scripture to debate their beliefs. But i dont want to continue going to that church.

Anyone have advice or an experience of getting out of a church teachig Dangerous Doctrine?

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Your absolutely correct, those doctrines are twisted and do not reflect the bible in any way, shape or form. You definetly need to get out.

I would simply tell them directly that their doctrines are wrong and that's why you are leaving. I suppose it would be loving of you to tell them that they are in error. I guess you could call it tough love? I suppose if you don't give them the real reason, they won't leave you alone and they will become a burden to you if they have not become one already.

Rely on God's strength. It's good you have recognised how far they have deviated from God's word and your wanting to get out.

Also, I'm happy for you that you have a relationship with the Lord. :)
 
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I had a Christian upbringing but i pretty much denounced it for the last few years. Now i am in the military and stationed in a town FULL of churches. I started going to church with a friend, later finding out it is apart of the UPC. I came back to God and my life has changed drastically. I did a complete 180. After i established a relationship with Christ and reading the Word I felt uneasy in this church. I then found our about their Oneness (or Jesus Only) Doctrine, and found that they believe you MUST speak in tongues to be saved. (They believe tongues is intial evidence of being Baptized in the Holy Spirit). Anyway, met some great people through the church and they are really caring people. Also they follow up with their new members if they miss a church session (let alone two). Over all their belief of "My way or the highway" or "You need Baptism in Jesus name and their version of Baptism of the Spirit or you are not saved" is a dangerous doctrine in my view. I just can't find a nice way out. I dont want to tell them I think they are wrong and cult like because they have twisted the scripture to debate their beliefs. But i dont want to continue going to that church.

Anyone have advice or an experience of getting out of a church teachig Dangerous Doctrine?

God Bless!
Thats what happens when when error gets in, Its a mountain of pride to tear down to get it removed (no one likes to admit they were wrong) found even the simpliest things as my Christian reformed parents getting adult baptised, caused them such conflict in there church they had to leave, your best bet is to simply state the scripture shows that the gifts are distributed as the Holy Spirit see's fit.......Do all speak in tongues?....no I'm sorry they do not, and to say that person is not born again in the Spirit is bad teaching
 
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I had a Christian upbringing but i pretty much denounced it for the last few years. Now i am in the military and stationed in a town FULL of churches. I started going to church with a friend, later finding out it is apart of the UPC. I came back to God and my life has changed drastically. I did a complete 180. After i established a relationship with Christ and reading the Word I felt uneasy in this church. I then found our about their Oneness (or Jesus Only) Doctrine, and found that they believe you MUST speak in tongues to be saved. (They believe tongues is intial evidence of being Baptized in the Holy Spirit). Anyway, met some great people through the church and they are really caring people. Also they follow up with their new members if they miss a church session (let alone two). Over all their belief of "My way or the highway" or "You need Baptism in Jesus name and their version of Baptism of the Spirit or you are not saved" is a dangerous doctrine in my view. I just can't find a nice way out. I dont want to tell them I think they are wrong and cult like because they have twisted the scripture to debate their beliefs. But i dont want to continue going to that church.

Anyone have advice or an experience of getting out of a church teachig Dangerous Doctrine?

God Bless!

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Leave quietly.
Leave graciously.

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Thank you everyone for your quick response. I guess my biggest concern is ill feel bad telling them their beliefs arent sound. And i worry they may try to battle me with scripture. Also id like to leave in a respectrul manner that will allow me to keep friends even though we don't see eye to eye.
 
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Thank you everyone for your quick response. I guess my biggest concern is ill feel bad telling them their beliefs arent sound. And i worry they may try to battle me with scripture. Also id like to leave in a respectrul manner that will allow me to keep friends even though we don't see eye to eye.

You have a nice spirit, and being honest with people does not detract from a nice spirit. You could write a letter to some prominent one there without being "wordy" and state you disagree with their doctrines so will not be returning, and perhaps can thank them for their Christian friendship; then just quit going.

If one of your friends comes to you about it, then you can tell him/her nicely that you are sure the teaching there is wrong, and you don't wish to debate it. End of story! It is their choice if they then decide to avoid you as a friend.
 
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Picture a dog cage with an open door. The dog feels safe in the cage, but is continually reminded that they are kept and trapped within those confines. But the door was always wide open. There is comfort in following other people's rules, no matter how oppressive.

Just don't show up. I mean it, just go somewhere else on Sunday, since there are so many churches. Keep calling your friends -- you don't even need to bring up the topic. The obsession for attendance is the church's, not your own, so you don't need to be a part of it. Be in control of your faith, and be proactive in faith when talking with your friends.

I find that making a formal exit tends to stir up emotions and unnecessary conflicts. Many fellowships ask for this formality, but it is more of a security measure that you will not badmouth them or drag half the church with you. Just move on, and don't get into unnecessary drama. Otherwise you will be snared in their rules again.

As you say, many good things come out of the fellowship, but it is not for you.
 
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Picture a dog cage with an open door. The dog feels safe in the cage, but is continually reminded that they are kept and trapped within those confines. But the door was always wide open. There is comfort in following other people's rules, no matter how oppressive.

Just don't show up. I mean it, just go somewhere else on Sunday, since there are so many churches. Keep calling your friends -- you don't even need to bring up the topic. The obsession for attendance is the church's, not your own, so you don't need to be a part of it. Be in control of your faith, and be proactive in faith when talking with your friends.

I find that making a formal exit tends to stir up emotions and unnecessary conflicts. Many fellowships ask for this formality, but it is more of a security measure that you will not badmouth them or drag half the church with you. Just move on, and don't get into unnecessary drama. Otherwise you will be snared in their rules again.

As you say, many good things come out of the fellowship, but it is not for you.

That is a great picture. I ended up telling the man i had bible study with that I don't agree with some of their churches views of Christianity but I am still seeking the Lord and trust He will lead me on the right path as long as i come with an open mind. I also told my friend (who asked why I haven't been in the last 2 weeks) and i told her how I really like the people there, but i don't see eye to eye with what the UPC teaches. She wanted to know what I didn't agree with and i told her their view of how to be saved and their Oneness doctrine are two big things. We decided its a better conversation to have in person woth our Bibles out, and we are still friends. :)
 
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You have to do what you think best, but if you think the teachings are not true to the Word (which I agree), don't try to get into a Bible study to prove anything, for they will win. You probably don't know the Scripture well enough as a new believer to show the errors.
 
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I had a Christian upbringing but i pretty much denounced it for the last few years. Now i am in the military and stationed in a town FULL of churches. I started going to church with a friend, later finding out it is apart of the UPC. I came back to God and my life has changed drastically. I did a complete 180. After i established a relationship with Christ and reading the Word I felt uneasy in this church. I then found our about their Oneness (or Jesus Only) Doctrine, and found that they believe you MUST speak in tongues to be saved. (They believe tongues is intial evidence of being Baptized in the Holy Spirit). Anyway, met some great people through the church and they are really caring people. Also they follow up with their new members if they miss a church session (let alone two). Over all their belief of "My way or the highway" or "You need Baptism in Jesus name and their version of Baptism of the Spirit or you are not saved" is a dangerous doctrine in my view. I just can't find a nice way out. I dont want to tell them I think they are wrong and cult like because they have twisted the scripture to debate their beliefs. But i dont want to continue going to that church.

Anyone have advice or an experience of getting out of a church teachig Dangerous Doctrine?

God Bless!

I agree its a dangerous doctrine and cult like. I left this church 24 yrs ago. I just told my friends Im going some where else-Im still friends with them and some of them also left the UPC church. Also you will make additional friends elsewhere. I go to the church of the nazarene.

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I'm glad you've started to act on your wishes. It will be hard for a while, but will get much easier once the word is out.

I used to think denominations didn't matter much -- one church I joined taught that the current doctrine and life of the church is more important than the denominational doctrine. But that turned out to be misleading, because they got way off track.

There will be good and bad anywhere. The process of scrutiny and knowing what you believe can be as important as worshiping somewhere. At that particular denomination, there tends to be more enforcement of rules, so it's not "just another" expression of faith.
 
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You've been targetted. I wish there were another way to put it, but I've seen this tactic used too many times not to recognize its description. They want you in that church, in all probability because you're in the military, and through you (if they can get you 'hooked') they can gain access to other military personnel.

What you need to realize is that you are not confronting people whose desire is to enlighten you. Instead, you are confronting people whose desire is to overpower you. The tactic that they use is similar to that used in other radical denominations. They will come at you with verses from all over the Holy Bible which they claim prove their position. This is called the knight-works-exegesis argument, and is in reality a blatant abuse of Scripture in order to have it serve their own purposes. They sew scattered verses of Scripture into a 'patchwork quilt', and then they use that 'quilt' to overwhelm those they want to subdue.

What they count on is that (1) you will not look up each and every passage where the verses they are using originally were located. If you did, you would discover that the original intent of the verses had nothing whatsoever to do with how they are using them. And (2) they count on you to succumb to the hitlerian tactic. This tactic was described by none other than Adolph Hitler himself in his book Mein Kampf, chapter 6, War Propaganda. It is a tactic deliberately intended to 'short circuit' the intellect and attack the emotions directly, manipulating them to serve their own purposes. There are Bible colleges which teach their students how to do this successfully (I personally know of two in this region of the USA). So what you are seeing as a genuine concern for your spiritual welfare is in reality a well-trained, concerted effort to subject your emotions to their desires.

The counter thrust to this tactic is to know Scripture and to recognize what they are up to. One of their favorite sayings is, "No one will get into heaven alone," meaning that each person who is a member of that church must help convert someone else to their theology. It's the pyramid scheme applied to a church, and you've been selected to occupy one of the levels on that pyramid. Once they believe themselves to have conquered you, then they will order you to bring others into their fold, thus increasing the size of the pyramid.

One of the Scripture passages which runs contrary to their teaching is the very passage that they attempt to use to promote it, namely, Acts 2:1-13. The only thing unknown about the tongues spoken in that passage was from the perspective of the apostles themselves. The audience who heard them speak recognized the languages they were uttering as their own native tongues. Today's equivalent would not be to babble incoherent words that someone else would need to 'translate' as the words of the Holy Spirit, thus giving the translator's words a spirituality they do not deserve to have. Rather, it would be to have the ability to speak languages which are known intimately by those who hear them, such as Russian, Chinese, or Arabic, but that you yourself had never learned through education or environment.

There are four passages of Scripture which the pentecostals that I have debated do their utmost to claim that we are not to pay attention to. They are

a. Romans 3:19 to 5:10: This passage tells us quite clearly that our salvation is by putting our trust in what God has done already, rather than putting our trust in whatever we ourselves might be able to do. We are to realize that salvation must be received as a gift; it cannot be earned as a salary. It is by putting our trust in God's promise of his own righteousness replacing our unrighteousness that we have assurance of salvation.

b. Romans 7:14-24: Paul here describes 'paradoxical intention'. There's an old saying which is, "The harder you try, the faster you fail." Paul recognized this quirk even in his own body; what he wanted to do, he could not do, but what he fought against doing, he eventually did.

c. Galatians 5:16-26: God also knows of this quirk in our nature that we now call paradoxical intention, and has himself done something about it. Instead of depending on ourselves, we are to rely on God to subdue our sinful nature and implant in us a new, more spiritual one. And this new nature isn't one that goes around 'showing off' gifts it has supposedly received from God. Rather, it is one that gives power and authority to those emotions which we now identify as 'positive emotions' such as love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control (the fruit of the Spirit). These emotions replace those listed under the heading 'acts of the sinful nature', and they are to be recognized and accepted by us as the 'borders' within which all our words and actions are to originate.

d. Matthew 25:31-46: This is the 'feed the hungry' passage, and the closest I ever got a pentecostal to admitting that it was still to be followed today was one who said, "It's to be followed sometime in the future after everything else that's more spiritual has been completed." But I've read this passage numerous times, and have yet to find an expiration date there. Christ's compassion for those who were sick and in need around him showed itself not in pious rhetoric, but in hands-on work in order to alleviate their plight. What he did himself, namely, show his compassion for those in need through practical actions taken in order to lessen their suffering, he expects those who claim to be his followers to also perform through the practical application of this passage to the world around us.

This passage is the litmus test for whether an organization identifying itself as a christian church is in reality following the dictates of Christ and his apostles. Those prganizations which identify themselves as christian, and endeavor to perform these acts of compassion to the best of their ability, can be seen as atruly christian. But those organizations which try to 'dance around' the orders given in this passage cannot call themselves christians, irregardless of how pious and verbose their communications with others are.

I hope this helped you without its being overly long. Your OP reminded me of battles that I had to engage in many years ago. May God be with you.
 
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Over all their belief of "My way or the highway" or "You need Baptism in Jesus name and their version of Baptism of the Spirit or you are not saved" is a dangerous doctrine in my view. I just can't find a nice way out. I dont want to tell them I think they are wrong and cult like because they have twisted the scripture to debate their beliefs. But i dont want to continue going to that church.

Anyone have advice or an experience of getting out of a church teachig Dangerous Doctrine?

God Bless!

:wave: these are good questions. My .02:

be a soldier, and don't wimp out. This is a test! Are you ashamed of Jesus? If so, He will be ashamed of you.

You have no choice but to confront them - and try to do it non-confrontationally. Tell them what you've said here; they're nice people, sincere, you don't mean to hurt their feelings, but you have these specific concerns about false doctrine.

Don't do this thinking you're going to change them, do this out of obedience to Scripture, knowing that God will be working in you, changing YOU. (Spiritual growth)

"Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. (Matthew 18:16) But if he will not hear [thee, then] take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell [it] unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican."

Notice we still love heathens and publicans! We just don't submit to their teaching. "Tough love," yes ...
 
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Harry said:
you are confronting people whose desire is to overpower you. The tactic that they use is similar to that used in other radical denominations. They will come at you with verses from all over the Holy Bible which they claim prove their position. This is called the knight-works-exegesis argument, and is in reality a blatant abuse of Scripture in order to have it serve their own purposes.
Airman, I would guess you are thinking that your friends were not tied in with an agenda. But subcultures take on beliefs and practices over time, and members really believe they're doing the right thing.

Even though you originally felt this church was beneficial, you might find it helpful to read definitions of cults. I doubt the church was a cult; but if you view the extremes, similar characteristics pop up, and you can see areas where you might have been intimidated into following their ways.

Think Venn diagram... not everything on the list means it's inside the circle of a cult, but there are overlaps. People use terms like "spiritual abuse"

Churches That Abuse -- Online Book | Apologetics Index
From What is a Destructive Cult? | Factnet NewsSite and Discussion Forum :

Common Properties of Potentially Destructive and Dangerous Cults
The cult is authoritarian in its power structure.
The leader is regarded as the supreme authority. He or she may delegate certain power to a few subordinates for the purpose of seeing that members adhere to the leader's wishes and roles.

There is no appeal outside of his or her system to greater systems of justice. For example, if a school teacher feels unjustly treated by a principal, appeals can be made. In a cult, the leader claims to have the only and final ruling on all matters.

The cult's leaders tend to be charismatic, determined, and
domineering.

They persuade followers to drop their families, jobs, careers, and friends to follow them. They (not the individual) then take over control of their followers' possessions, money, lives.


The cult's leaders are self-appointed, messianic persons who claim to have a special mission in life.

For example, the flying saucer cult leaders claim that people from outer space have commissioned them to lead people to special places to await a space ship.

The cult's leaders center the veneration of members upon
themselves.

Priests, rabbis, ministers, democratic leaders, and leaders of genuinely altruistic movements keep the veneration of adherents focused on God, abstract principles, and group purposes. Cult leaders, in contrast, keep the focus of love, devotion, and allegiance on themselves.


The cult tends to be totalitarian in its control of the behavior of its members.
Cults are likely to dictate in great detail what members wear, eat, when and where they work, sleep, and bathe-as well as what to believe, think, and say.


The cult tends to have a double set of ethics.

Members are urged to be open and honest within the group, and confess all to the leaders. On the other hand, they are encouraged to deceive and manipulate outsiders or nonmembers. Established religions teach members to be honest and truthful to all, and to abide by one set of ethics.


The cult has basically only two purposes, recruiting new members and fund-raising.
Established religions and altruistic movements may also recruit and raise funds. However, their sole purpose is not to grow larger; such groups have the goals to better the lives of their members and mankind in general.
The cults may claim to make social contributions, but in actuality these remain mere claims, or gestures. Their focus is always dominated by recruiting new members and fund-raising.


The cult appears to be innovative and exclusive.

The leader claims to be breaking with tradition, offering something novel, and instituting the only viable system for change that will solve life's problems or the world's ills.
While claiming this, the cult then surreptitiously uses systems of psychological coercion on its members to inhibit their
ability to examine the actual validity of the claims of the leader and the cult.
 
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Just stop going to their church, and be prepared for phone calls and visits and to take their slanderous abuse and threats (oh, you will go to hell forever, you are falling away), etc...

Hurts to give up friends, but worth it.

That is a cult you are in, not healthy. Some or even many may be Christians, but does not mean it is not a cult and unhealthy.

Bad winds are coming soon to fix all of that, good idea to be prepared and get out of cults while you can.
 
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Thank you everyone for your quick response. I guess my biggest concern is ill feel bad telling them their beliefs arent sound. And i worry they may try to battle me with scripture. Also id like to leave in a respectrul manner that will allow me to keep friends even though we don't see eye to eye.
Brother, I know that the road will be hard on you finding another church. But find another church. It's my personal belief that your faith and repentance are in your area to light a fire in another church.

It may seem like the new church is dead, too. Maybe it's not as outgoing or warm or exciting as your church. I'd advise finding the closest thing that you can accept for their doctrines. Maybe even a little closer. I'll explain that in a second.

Look, I'm certain that there are issues in your church, but they have done some very fine things with you. That is not a reason to stick with their errant doctrines, but it is really important to recognize it. That way you don't throw out baby with bathwater.

In fact I suspect that the very reason why you're finding errors in their doctrine is because they're emphasizing important things -- Bible reading, for instance -- to you.

OK, so you know the bad news is really bad when it comes to these critical doctrines. The Spirit is really working on you. But please, don't assume that "bad is all bad". For instance, I know some churches here who hold to that same "speaking in tongues" doctrine -- they're not U. Pentecostal, so they're not "Oneness", but keep this in mind. Believers in their individual churches here have realized the error knocked it back to something that is actually within the pale of Scripture: that the Spirit gives to everyone gifts as He wishes.

So it would be a very unwise thing to exclude this church from your place for new churches to check out, simply because the church denomination holds a doctrine you know is wrong.
 
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You've been targetted. I wish there were another way to put it, but I've seen this tactic used too many times not to recognize its description. They want you in that church, in all probability because you're in the military, and through you (if they can get you 'hooked') they can gain access to other military personnel.

What you need to realize is that you are not confronting people whose desire is to enlighten you. Instead, you are confronting people whose desire is to overpower you. The tactic that they use is similar to that used in other radical denominations. They will come at you with verses from all over the Holy Bible which they claim prove their position. This is called the knight-works-exegesis argument, and is in reality a blatant abuse of Scripture in order to have it serve their own purposes. They sew scattered verses of Scripture into a 'patchwork quilt', and then they use that 'quilt' to overwhelm those they want to subdue.

What they count on is that (1) you will not look up each and every passage where the verses they are using originally were located. If you did, you would discover that the original intent of the verses had nothing whatsoever to do with how they are using them. And (2) they count on you to succumb to the hitlerian tactic. This tactic was described by none other than Adolph Hitler himself in his book Mein Kampf, chapter 6, War Propaganda. It is a tactic deliberately intended to 'short circuit' the intellect and attack the emotions directly, manipulating them to serve their own purposes. There are Bible colleges which teach their students how to do this successfully (I personally know of two in this region of the USA). So what you are seeing as a genuine concern for your spiritual welfare is in reality a well-trained, concerted effort to subject your emotions to their desires.

I agree wholeheartedly with this reply. You were targeted. I have been targeted by cults in the past.

I respectfully disagree with the advice that it is incumbent upon you to inform them of their error. People in cults are not able to hear this. They will use your goodwill to keep you trapped.

Simply stop going, ignore phone calls, and say to anyone who attempts to pressure you: "I will no longer be in contact." That's it. No explanation needed.

I understand your desire to keep some of your friends. I have found in my experience that it was impossible for me to maintain friendships with people still involved with cults. They are psychologically hooked into trying to get you back into the group. Very rarely are they able to keep things separate. That's just how cults work. Sometimes friends will in time leave and then a friendship can be rekindled.
 
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