I may get in trouble for this, but it's baaaack...

Studeclunker · Mar 27, 2008

It seems the new improved version on the Statement on Human Sexuality has made another apperance in the ELCA. I posted a response in the liberal's forum and just might get in a wee bit of trouble for it. Still, couldn't resist. The reason being; this heresy was the reason I left the ELCA in the first place. Now, they have repackaged the same thing and are trying again. Hopefully, I won't get in too much trouble...

For anyone who's interested, here's where it's at now (includes the necessary links):

Bartolomeo posted the original question:

Draft statement on human sexuality

Any opinions on the recently issued draft statement on human sexuality?

News/Releases.asp?a=3824 on the elca site. I'm a noob so I can't post the actual link.

I note that the central issue of rostering practicing homosexual people has been deferred to next year. Does the balance of the document have much to say?

By Regular Guy:

I can post the link for you.

http://www.elca.org/news/releases.asp?a=3824

I haven't read the statement yet, so I'm not really in a position to comment further.

Here's the link for the page from which the statement can be downloaded.

http://www.elca.org/faithfuljourney/draft/

Then I responded:

I've skimmed the document, just don't have the time to read it now in it's entirety. It seems to be a re-working of the same document presented to the laity well over fifteen years ago. The resurgence of this doesn't surprise me in the least. It's the acceptance of such a philosophy in the hierarchy of ELCA that caused me to switch to LCMS. Nevertheless, this document isn't news. At least, it's not new-news. It doesn't seem logical that anyone in the ELCA should be surprised by this document or it's reapperance. The rules of the forum forbid me from discussing this here any further.

Peace and guidence to you, our Lutheran brothers and sisters, in the ELCA. May you make a God pleasing, not world pleasing, decision on this.

Rechtgläubig · May 14, 2008

ELCA? Heresy? Get outta town!

Why are they even talking about this when churches are just doing whatever they want anyways?

http://www.herchurch.org/

That is one prime example. Years ago this came up on this very board and everyone was shocked and appalled that the ELCA would tolerate such a thing. Surely the leaders must not know about this! I personally sent an email to the Bishop and pointed it out to him. He thanked me for bringing it to his attention and said he would look into it. Now, years later the only change is, that they have clearly placed the "ELCA" letters at the top of the home page.

seajoy · May 14, 2008

Rechtgläubig;46948326 said:
ELCA? Heresy? Get outta town!

Why are they even talking about this when churches are just doing whatever they want anyways?

http://www.herchurch.org/

That is one prime example. Years ago this came up on this very board and everyone was shocked and appalled that the ELCA would tolerate such a thing. Surely the leaders must not know about this! I personally sent an email to the Bishop and pointed it out to him. His thanked me for bringing it to his attention and said he would look into it. Now, years later the only change is, that they have clearly placed the "ELCA" letters at the top of the home page.

Oh wow! Aren't you the famous Recht......whatever guy? I've heard about you, in that you are a pretty smart cookie. Please stay and post some more. You left before I joined TCL, so I never got to meet you.

Rechtgläubig · May 14, 2008

seajoy said:
Oh wow! Aren't you the famous Recht......whatever guy? I've heard about you, in that you are a pretty smart cookie. Please stay and post some more. You left before I joined TCL, so I never got to meet you.

Uh... oh boy... you are really starting to frighten me.

By the way... are you sure you heard them right... when they called me a smart "cookie"? lol

DaRev · May 14, 2008

God help us!

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2008/05/14/5565166-cp.html

Rechtgläubig · May 14, 2008

DaRev said:
God help us!

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2008/05/14/5565166-cp.html

seajoy · May 15, 2008

DaRev said:
God help us!

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2008/05/14/5565166-cp.html

Indeed.

seajoy · May 15, 2008

Rechtgläubig;46949353 said:
Uh... oh boy... you are really starting to frighten me.

By the way... are you sure you heard them right... when they called me a smart "cookie"? lol

Didn't mean to frighten you. Perhaps they said you were cooky and I misunderstood.

PreachersWife2004 · May 15, 2008

DaRev said:
God help us!

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2008/05/14/5565166-cp.html

That's about as bad as it comes.

LutheranChick · May 15, 2008

Rechtgläubig;46949672 said:

Agreed.

seajoy · May 15, 2008

I saw on Fox New's website today that California is one step closer to honoring gay marriage. The high court has nixed the ban. This is another sad day for our country.

seajoy · May 15, 2008

Rechtgläubig;46948326 said:
ELCA? Heresy? Get outta town!

Why are they even talking about this when churches are just doing whatever they want anyways?

http://www.herchurch.org/

That is one prime example. Years ago this came up on this very board and everyone was shocked and appalled that the ELCA would tolerate such a thing. Surely the leaders must not know about this! I personally sent an email to the Bishop and pointed it out to him. He thanked me for bringing it to his attention and said he would look into it. Now, years later the only change is, that they have clearly placed the "ELCA" letters at the top of the home page.

When I came across the prayer "Our Mother who is within us...." I about fainted dead away! Where do they get this crap? Thanks for the link, except I wanna now.

Rechtgläubig · May 15, 2008

seajoy said:
I saw on Fox New's website today that California is one step closer to honoring gay marriage. The high court has nixed the ban. This is another sad day for our country.

And this is after the people voted what, 60%(?) against this. If the people don't want it... bah what's the use...

seajoy said:
When I came across the prayer "Our Mother who is within us...."...

Yes, I wonder if their pictures are still up from the little event they held where they sculpted statues of their "godess" Asherah.

Rechtgläubig · May 15, 2008

Studeclunker said:
It seems the new improved version on the Statement on Human Sexuality has made another apperance in the ELCA.

The sad thing is, that this topic will continue to be resurfaced and "studied" and discussed over and over until the people have become so desensitized and exhausted they get to the point that they just don't care. In the mean time rogue churches like "Her Church" and the Canadian article that was linked become more numerous.

Well...at least thats what my hair stylist told me when he read my fortune with his tarot cards this morning... :o

PreachersWife2004 · May 15, 2008

That website frightens me.

I did have to laugh at their little disclaimer to "fellow" Lutherans...

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Lutheran sisters and brothers: if you are visiting our website for the first time and read or see something that seems incongruent with our theological heritage please be sure you note the whole picture of our ministry and GOSPEL proclamation by looking at each page. Especially reflect on our mission statement on our home page or the info about us or the brief article about language for God. Including masculine and feminine references to God/dess in worship lays the foundation for including women and men as equal leaders in the church and in soiciety and embraces the priesthood of all believers initiated in our baptisms. God/dess is beyond gender and at the same time inclusive of both genders. Using exclusively masculine terms and systems of domination is contrary to the Gospel and the heart of the risen Christ and the mission of the church.

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seajoy · May 15, 2008

Rechtgläubig;46961297 said:
And this is after the people voted what, 60%(?) against this. If the people don't want it... bah what's the use....

Bah, what's the use, is right! Forget the majority ruling...it's now, "the government/judges know what's best for us." All we have to do is listen and accept it.

"If my people, who are called by My Name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land."
2 Chronicles 7:14

That verse always brings tears to my eyes. What mercy God has on us, that even after all our country has done, He is faithful and would heal our land.

seajoy · May 15, 2008

PreachersWife2004 said:
That website frightens me.

I did have to laugh at their little disclaimer to "fellow" Lutherans...

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"Fellow" Lutherans? Shouldn't it say "lady" Lutherans. What a bunch men hating gals.

Rechtgläubig · May 15, 2008

seajoy said:
"Fellow" Lutherans? Shouldn't it say "lady" Lutherans. What a bunch men hating gals.

The "He-Woman Men-Haters"!

MarkRohfrietsch · May 15, 2008

Someone once said "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" ELCIC and ELCA have built the Autoban to purdition.

What realy Pi**es me off is that they still call themselves "Lutheran". Most people who are not Lutheran don't know that there are Lutherans and then there are "Lutherans". Now I'm going to have to field all kinds of questions. I should look at it as an oppertunity to witness, but it still really pi**es me off!

Mark

seajoy · May 15, 2008

Agreed, Mark. They should just call their's the "Anything Goes Synod". Short and to the point.

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