I Love You

[Cribstyl]

Dear SDA members,

my interaction with you on CF , are about reviewing biblical facts rather than a war against your doctrines.
My foundation is the word of God even if I dont clearly understand all of it.
My love for you does not allow me to condemn you, so I judge you not.
Why do you judge me and call my worship day a sabbath?
Why do you only consider and quote Catholic sources as truth even when it differs from their offical catachism?


Our first collision in the bible, is how you allow the word for " rest " which is a verb "sabath", to become the noun "sabbath" which is a 24hr day.
God's creation rest cites no time other than the seventh day.
God's creation rest was an ending of work, not a weekly occurance.
God's creation rest is referenced in Hebrew 4 as something first offered to "they", "them", meaning the Children of Israel.


Hbr 4:1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left [us] of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

Hbr 4:2For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard [it]. ​

Hbr 4:3For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. ​

Hbr 4:4For he spake in a certain place of the seventh [day] on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. ​

Hbr 4:5And in this [place] again, If they shall enter into my rest. ​

Hbr 4:6Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:​

CRIB​

 

[Adventist Dissident]

oh brother

 

[Cribstyl]

oh brother

That's right "OH Brother"
Agape love does not discriminate.
If you dont love those who God loves then you're breaking the law.

My disagreements with issues are a way to begin understanding my brothers in a clearer, manner dont you think?

CRIB

 

[Cribstyl]

Why does it appear that Rom 3:31 is isolated from a lesson that teaches that God has establish in the church, righteousness without the law?


Rom 3:20 For no one can ever be made right in God's sight by doing what his law commands. For the more we know God's law, the clearer it becomes that we aren't obeying it.
Rom 3:21 But now God has shown us a different way of being right in his sight-not by obeying the law but by the way promised in the Scriptures long ago.
Rom 3:22 We are made right in God's sight when we trust in Jesus Christ to take away our sins. And we all can be saved in this same way, no matter who we are or what we have done.

Rom 3:23 For all have sinned; all fall short of God's glorious standard.
Rom 3:24 Yet now God in his gracious kindness declares us not guilty. He has done this through Christ Jesus, who has freed us by taking away our sins.
Rom 3:25 For God sent Jesus to take the punishment for our sins and to satisfy God's anger against us. We are made right with God when we believe that Jesus shed his blood, sacrificing his life for us. God was being entirely fair and just when he did not punish those who sinned in former times.
Rom 3:26 And he is entirely fair and just in this present time when he declares sinners to be right in his sight because they believe in Jesus.
Rom 3:27 Can we boast, then, that we have done anything to be accepted by God? No, because our acquittal is not based on our good deeds. It is based on our faith.
Rom 3:28 So we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law.
Rom 3:29 After all, God is not the God of the Jews only, is he? Isn't he also the God of the Gentiles? Of course he is.
Rom 3:30 There is only one God, and there is only one way of being accepted by him. He makes people right with himself only by faith, whether they are Jews or Gentiles.
Rom 3:31 Well then, if we emphasize faith, does this mean that we can forget about the law? Of course not! In fact, only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law.



Faith is what fulfills the law. Faith causes us to believe in Jesus Christ and to love our neighbors and enemies.

.............................................................................................

Faith in Jesus is loving God and keeping the greatest commandment.

The sabbath commandment was given to honor the Creator of heaven and earth, but God has called for all believers to honor the Son to prove our faith.


Jhn 12:44Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.

1Jo 2:23Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].


Eph 1:15Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,

Jhn 5:23That all [men] should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Jhn 11:25Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:



CRIB

 

[AzA]

Dear SDA members,

...Why do you judge me and call my worship day a sabbath?
Why do you only consider and quote Catholic sources as truth even when it differs from their offical catachism?

You are addressing me, and yet I do none of these things.

I love you too, Crib.

 

[Cribstyl]

You are addressing me, and yet I do none of these things.
I love you too, Crib.

Kudos to you AzA. you're unique.

CRIB

 

[Cribstyl]

Exegesis- to draw out extracting what is in the text the way it was written. Finding the true meaning and explain the passages of scripture from their context


Isogesis-Reading into a text what isn’t there. Interpreting it by different rules than a consistent understanding from the Bible. Using a presupposition to arrive at the meaning, by ignoring the language and culture it was used in.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Why does it appear that Rom 3:31 is isolated from a lesson that teaches that God has establish in the church, righteousness without the law?


Rom 3:20 For no one can ever be made right in God's sight by doing what his law commands. For the more we know God's law, the clearer it becomes that we aren't obeying it.
Rom 3:21 But now God has shown us a different way of being right in his sight-not by obeying the law but by the way promised in the Scriptures long ago.
Rom 3:22 We are made right in God's sight when we trust in Jesus Christ to take away our sins. And we all can be saved in this same way, no matter who we are or what we have done.

Rom 3:23 For all have sinned; all fall short of God's glorious standard.
Rom 3:24 Yet now God in his gracious kindness declares us not guilty. He has done this through Christ Jesus, who has freed us by taking away our sins.
Rom 3:25 For God sent Jesus to take the punishment for our sins and to satisfy God's anger against us. We are made right with God when we believe that Jesus shed his blood, sacrificing his life for us. God was being entirely fair and just when he did not punish those who sinned in former times.
Rom 3:26 And he is entirely fair and just in this present time when he declares sinners to be right in his sight because they believe in Jesus.
Rom 3:27 Can we boast, then, that we have done anything to be accepted by God? No, because our acquittal is not based on our good deeds. It is based on our faith.
Rom 3:28 So we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law.
Rom 3:29 After all, God is not the God of the Jews only, is he? Isn't he also the God of the Gentiles? Of course he is.
Rom 3:30 There is only one God, and there is only one way of being accepted by him. He makes people right with himself only by faith, whether they are Jews or Gentiles.
Rom 3:31 Well then, if we emphasize faith, does this mean that we can forget about the law? Of course not! In fact, only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law.



Faith is what fulfills the law. Faith causes us to believe in Jesus Christ and to love our neighbors and enemies.

.............................................................................................

Faith in Jesus is loving God and keeping the greatest commandment.

The sabbath commandment was given to honor the Creator of heaven and earth, but God has called for all believers to honor the Son to prove our faith.


Jhn 12:44Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.

1Jo 2:23Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].


Eph 1:15Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,

Jhn 5:23That all [men] should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Jhn 11:25Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:



CRIB

see this is your problem, you are talking about justification and SDA and sabbatharian are not. We are justified by Christ life, death and ressurection, We are sanctified by Christ thought the Holy spirit and his word. We are talking about disciple ship. you have a problem understading that there is a whole life to life after justification. we are talking about apples and oranges.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Dear SDA members,

my interaction with you on CF , are about reviewing biblical facts rather than a war against your doctrines.
My foundation is the word of God even if I dont clearly understand all of it.
My love for you does not allow me to condemn you, so I judge you not.

Why do you judge me and call my worship day a sabbath?

Why do you only consider and quote Catholic sources as truth even when it differs from their offical catachism?


Our first collision in the bible, is how you allow the word for " rest " which is a verb "sabath", to become the noun "sabbath" which is a 24hr day.
God's creation rest cites no time other than the seventh day.
God's creation rest was an ending of work, not a weekly occurance.
God's creation rest is referenced in Hebrew 4 as something first offered to "they", "them", meaning the Children of Israel.


Hbr 4:1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left [us] of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

Hbr 4:2For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard [it]. ​

Hbr 4:3For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. ​

Hbr 4:4For he spake in a certain place of the seventh [day] on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. ​

Hbr 4:5And in this [place] again, If they shall enter into my rest. ​

Hbr 4:6Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:​

CRIB​

i am a former sda, but still a sabbatrian, i do not call you you to worships on the sabbath, The lord does.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Exegesis- to draw out extracting what is in the text the way it was written. Finding the true meaning and explain the passages of scripture from their context


Isogesis-Reading into a text what isn’t there. Interpreting it by different rules than a consistent understanding from the Bible. Using a presupposition to arrive at the meaning, by ignoring the language and culture it was used in.

who are you talking about. What has been read in to the text. If anyone is guilty of this it is you. you are constantly twisting context and ignoring facts and leaving out parts of scriptures that contradict what you say. plain statements are not dealt with.

 

[Cribstyl]

see this is your problem, you are talking about justification and SDA and sabbatharian are not. We are justified by Christ life, death and ressurection, We are sanctified by Christ thought the Holy spirit and his word. We are talking about disciple ship. you have a problem understading that there is a whole life to life after justification. we are talking about apples and oranges.

First of all, my love for SDA is sincere. My life is entwined with people I love and many of them are SDA.
Second of all, let's try to have a discussion rather than argument.



Truth is, I do find some SDA teachings are based on isogesis rather than exogesis.



My statement is about righteousness that God required of us through living by faith. The texts posted from Rom 3 is about righteousness by faith vs the law.

Texts say, we're justified by faithRom(2)Gal(3)

and the just shall live by faith


CRIB

 

[Byfaithalone1]

i do not call you you to worships on the sabbath, The lord does.

I am a Gentile. Why would I conclude that God has called me to follow any of the Lord's convocations listed in Leviticus 23?

BFA