I know God is righteous and just but it's just so hard for me to stomach knowing that in the later books of the Torah and books like Joshua, where it's just genocide. I get that killing those who go to war with you, and that God had given the land to Israel, but when it comes down to even killing the children, it's really hard for me to feel right in it. Or like when Achan sinned in Joshua 7, not only was he put to death, but his sons and daughters too. My only way of feeling right about that is to think, they were children old enough to know their father was doing wrong and so they were complicit in the act. But to think that God's having like, toddlers and babies stoned to death because their dad did something wrong.. it's hard. It makes God seem callous even if He's right.
I know God is righteous and just but it's just so hard for me to stomach knowing that in the later books of the Torah and books like Joshua, where it's just genocide. I get that killing those who go to war with you, and that God had given the land to Israel, but when it comes down to even killing the children, it's really hard for me to feel right in it. Or like when Achan sinned in Joshua 7, not only was he put to death, but his sons and daughters too. My only way of feeling right about that is to think, they were children old enough to know their father was doing wrong and so they were complicit in the act. But to think that God's having like, toddlers and babies stoned to death because their dad did something wrong.. it's hard. It makes God seem callous even if He's right.
Quote from Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Commentary.I know God is righteous and just but it's just so hard for me to stomach knowing that in the later books of the Torah and books like Joshua, where it's just genocide. I get that killing those who go to war with you, and that God had given the land to Israel, but when it comes down to even killing the children, it's really hard for me to feel right in it. Or like when Achan sinned in Joshua 7, not only was he put to death, but his sons and daughters too. My only way of feeling right about that is to think, they were children old enough to know their father was doing wrong and so they were complicit in the act. But to think that God's having like, toddlers and babies stoned to death because their dad did something wrong.. it's hard. It makes God seem callous even if He's right.
I know God is righteous and just but it's just so hard for me to stomach knowing that in the later books of the Torah and books like Joshua, where it's just genocide. I get that killing those who go to war with you, and that God had given the land to Israel, but when it comes down to even killing the children, it's really hard for me to feel right in it. Or like when Achan sinned in Joshua 7, not only was he put to death, but his sons and daughters too. My only way of feeling right about that is to think, they were children old enough to know their father was doing wrong and so they were complicit in the act. But to think that God's having like, toddlers and babies stoned to death because their dad did something wrong.. it's hard. It makes God seem callous even if He's right.
The church has perennially held to a misunderstanding of Adam, corrected on this thread. No one is innocent. You were in the garden sinning even though you don't remember it. Recently you had a thread where you expressed fear of losing your identity transitioning to heaven. I felt inclined to alert you that, in God's eyes, your identity has already survived the fact that you are a reincarnation of Adam's soul (one physical section of it).I know God is righteous and just but it's just so hard for me to stomach knowing that in the later books of the Torah and books like Joshua, where it's just genocide. I get that killing those who go to war with you, and that God had given the land to Israel, but when it comes down to even killing the children, it's really hard for me to feel right in it. Or like when Achan sinned in Joshua 7, not only was he put to death, but his sons and daughters too. My only way of feeling right about that is to think, they were children old enough to know their father was doing wrong and so they were complicit in the act. But to think that God's having like, toddlers and babies stoned to death because their dad did something wrong.. it's hard. It makes God seem callous even if He's right.
The church has perennially held to a misunderstanding of Adam, corrected on this thread. No one is innocent. You were in the garden sinning even though you don't remember it. Recently you had a thread where you expressed fear of losing your identity transitioning to heaven. I felt inclined to alert you that, in God's eyes, your identity has already survived the fact that you are a reincarnation of Adam's soul (one physical section of it).
(1) Irrelevant whether it sounds a bit like (heathen) Reincarnation. All religions have significant degrees of similarities. What's important are not the similarities, therefore, but the differences.The doctrine that the catholics use of original sin is a false one, and that idea sounds a lot like Reincarnation, which I utterly reject.
Your reading condemns God as unjust as well, what happens to every miscarriage, stillbirth, or baby born with extreme defects? God torturing them for eternity because they inherited Adam's sin itself even though they personally were incapable of sinning?(1) Irrelevant whether it sounds a bit like (heathen) Reincarnation. All religions have significant degrees of similarities. What's important are not the similarities, therefore, but the differences.
(2) And you're stuck with a contradiction. Any reading of Adam other than mine leads to the logical contradiction that God is unjust. Period.
Um...Adam was an adult. They sinned in Adam as an adult. They are punished accordingly.Your reading condemns God as unjust as well, what happens to every miscarriage, stillbirth, or baby born with extreme defects? God torturing them for eternity because they inherited Adam's sin itself even though they personally were incapable of sinning?
We inherit a sinful nature, we don't inherit the sin itself.
Um...contradictions are biblical? Evidently you think so.Your beliefs become more and more unbiblical by the post, sorry.
Are you referring to my theory of Adam, specifically?Your beliefs become more and more unbiblical by the post, sorry.
We don't inherit sin, but we inherit the DNA and biology of Adam and have a tendency to sin because of it. It's why when you get saved you're not immune from sin and temptation from that point forward because you're still in a natural body that desires things that are sin. You are not responsible for what Adam did, but because Adam did it, all his descendants will invariably commit sins of their own.Still waiting for you to explain how we can inherit sin. Donald Bloesch admitted the problem of stain-transmission to be insoluble - it cannot be solved on traditional assumptions such as the assumption of an immaterial soul.
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