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I have officially rejected EGW as a prophetess

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NightEternal

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My understanding of EGW has changed in the last year. I still held strictly to Bradford's understanding of inspiration for the longest time and considered EGW a prophetess who simply got things wrong. I still do hold to a lot of what Bradford asserts BTW. But I have come to realize he was just a crutch I was using in order to continue to hold her up as a prophetess. I felt like I was frantically trying to keep a mannequin together, desperately piecing the arms and legs back onto the body everytime they fell off, which was becoming quite often lately. And everytime I would attach one limb back on, another would fall off. I would then go and try to keep that one together and the one I previously attached fell off again. It was a maddening cycle that was sucking the joy out of my Adventism. I simply let the idealized image of EGW fall into a heap and gave up fighting to preserve it in the face of all of the evidence to the contrary I was encountering.

As a result of some of the things that I just cannot reconcile no matter how hard I try, I simply could not hold that she was a prophetess any longer. It was just not working for me anymore and the cognitive dissonance was getting too much for me to bear lately. There are just too many problems, discrepancies, contradictions, false prophecies, theological inaccuracies and outright unresolvable problems for me to uphold her in that fashion any longer. I have relegated her to nothing more than an inspirational, pastoral writer and that is where she will stay for the duration of my Adventist existence. That is the inesacapable conclusion I have now come to.

Thankfully, when my pastor baptized me, he did not require that I assent to belief in her as a prophetess and encouraged me to study the matter for myself. I have spent the last few years doing just that, and I have come to the conclusion that she was NOT a prophetess but rather a founder of the church, a devoted Christian woman with some good and inspirational things to say.

And that's it. Period dot com.

I just got tired of the mental and verbal gymnastics and ridiculous, desperate explanations, justifications and apologetics that went into trying to maintain this 'prophetess' premise. I felt like I had to be true to myself and just finally admit that I no longer accepted her in that role. There is just too much out there on the internet these days that blows this thing wide open to even remotely maintain she was a prophetess anymore. At least for me.

I had no more desire to keep the EGW/prophetess dream alive, and so I have finally let it die the miserable death it was always heading towards. :sigh:

I have never felt so free. It's like a great burden has lifted from my shoulders. :) I no longer have to push these nagging doubts and questions concerning her to the back of my mind to be dealt with later. Always later. But they just kept resurfacing until I was forced to finally meet it head-on and deal with it once and for all.

I made an appointment with my pastor a couple of days ago (who is a hard-core Graeme Bradford devotee) and informed him of this turn of events during the meeting in his office. He had no problems with it whatsoever and no, did NOT threaten to have me disfellowshipped and name removed from the books. He said that quite a few Adventists were coming to that conclusion and have been for years.

No big deal at all.

Of course, my pastor does not believe that belief in EGW as a prophetess is, or should be, a test of membership and that she should not be, ever.

Thanks to all who may have been praying for me during this struggle in the last year. I don't know how well I hid it, but it was probably obvious that I was getting pretty frustrated with the whole EGW matter and I was not getting answers that were satisfactory to me either on this forum or on the internet. I think a lot of my anger and hostility towards the Trads lately can be attributed to this war raging in my head. It was at the point where the question of her role as prophetess had to be reconciled in some way once and for all or I would lose my mind. :(

Now I can move along in my life without all of the baggage that comes with trying to hold to a flawed premise.

And it feels good! :)
 
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Yes, welcome the non-extra-Biblical-secondary-source-of-authority-for-truth-club. Scripture and the Holy Spirit are more than enough to connect Christians to the One who is More Than Enough (Jesus!). No need for a supposed 'lesser light' when you have the Light Of The World (Christ Himself! - the FULL revelation of GOD!) living IN you. God bless!

In CHRIST ALONE...
 
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congratulations Night and Welcome to the Club. Your integerty is showing. I totally want to affirm your reasoning. I concur.

So what specifically did it?

It was a number of things Ice. Probably too many to list here. Several things piling up one after the other like bricks being added to my wheelbarrow until I couldn't lift it anymore to push it along. It just became too much for me to continue simply ignoring or justifying with weak explanations. I couldn't deny what the evidence was telling me any longer. The image of EGW the prophetess cannot stand under scrutiny. It never could. It just takes some people longer than others to finally come to that realization.

I like to think of the inherent problems facing the EGW issue as termites and the prophetess image of her as the building.

When you get enough termites chewing away at the foundations, the building itself will soon collapse.
 
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It was a number of things Ice. Probably too many to list here. Several things piling up one after the other like bricks being added to my wheelbarrow until I couldn't lift it anymore to push it along. It just became too much for me to continue simply ignoring or justifying with weak explanations. I couldn't deny what the evidence was telling me any longer. The image of EGW the prophetess cannot stand under scrutiny. It never could. It just takes some people longer than others to finally come to that realization.

I like to think of the inherent problems facing the EGW issue as termites and the prophetess image of her as the building.

When you get enough termites chewing away at the foundations, the building itself will soon collapse.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

CONGRATULATIONS and PROPS to YOU!!!!!

Shalom,

Lebesgue
 
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I still blame the church for putting her and the role of prophecy (which has elements of anti Catholicism in it IMO) on a pedestal in the first place. I have not come to your conclusions NE but for me I'm not bothered one way or the other. Her ability to save my soul is nil.

Yes, that is a huge problem Moicherie. Thankfully, it is one I no longer have to burden and concern myself over as far as my own personal understanding. What the denomination does with her is no reflection on where I have chosen to place her. I will stick with Sola Scriptura thank you, and I don't care how Trads have chosen to re-define that concept in order to include EGW.

Some may say that I have now completely disqualified myself as an Adventist by doing such a thing.

That is not my problem. This is what works for me. I cannot stomach how they have elevated her to Biblical canon any longer, and the only answer for me is to just scrap the whole prophetess idea completely and stick with the Word. How is that anything but a safe position to take?

If I am wrong about EGW and God chooses to destroy me in the lake of fire over the matter as the Trads seem to think He will, so be it. But I have to go with what my gut is telling me and follow my integrity.

I am gambling on the premise that my God is not the spiteful, vindictive tyrant the fundamentalist SDA's like to portray Him as, and that He would not be so petty as to punish one of His children for following what thier conscience is telling him to do.

I guess only the judgment will reveal who regards Him in the right way. If He is as the Trads say He is, quite frankly I hope He does just destroy me and end it. Because the thought of spending eternity with the fire-breathing, fearsome God of the Trads is one I cannot bear.
 
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Just wondering what explanation you give to the encounters with the supernatural that surround Ellen White?

I Typed the words "I was shown" in a search of her writings and it comes up with 755 results and that's articles/chapters of books etc there is 1000's of instances where she says "I was shown"....Shown by whom?
 
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Just a quick question from a non SDA who is this prophetess and how did she come about? Where is these writings from?

May I PM you with an answer, lexio? I would get reported for the answer I would give you if I did it publicly.

G-d Bless.

Shalom,

Lebesgue
 
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After consideration I have also rejected Ellen as a prophet.

Good for you! Because she ISN'T

All she was was a sincere Christian who truly loved the L-rd and wished to serve Him, but she was NOT inspired in any way and did not have a "gift". I'll refrain from saying anything further lest I get reported.

Shalom,

Lebesgue
 
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