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I have no religion, that would imply doubt.

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There is a very large portion of ourselves which we are unaware of. If we have a spirit, if life after death is possible then we must already be connected with and have access to our eternal existence.

Its illogical to believe that we enter heaven as a spirit of ourselves, if the world were run by dogs then there would be paintings of dogs with feathered wings thought of as angels. What we have here is non existent in heaven. So what are beliefs but egocentric delusions. If you have absolutely no idea then how can you claim to and what are the chances of being correct?
 

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As a Christians we believe through faith and not by sight. There is also evidence of a Creator being in existence, if you look hard enough. (I'm not trying to start an argument by the way). God bless, and I will be praying for you no matter what your religion.
 
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Hi TheJust. If you doubt so much why do you have a Oneness icon? Just curious.

I never mentioned having doubt. What the title means is if I had a religion that would imply having doubt about God's existance which I have none.
 
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As a Christians we believe through faith and not by sight. There is also evidence of a Creator being in existence, if you look hard enough. (I'm not trying to start an argument by the way). God bless, and I will be praying for you no matter what your religion.

Why simply believe when you can be sure? Why stick to the fictional section of the library? I don't believe God exists, I know it and with that knowlage comes the awareness of what he is not, a labeled religion.
 
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I am mearly attempting to guide believers to become true followers, one must choose a path of divinity, belief alone is meaningless. God turns away noone, hell is the outcome of turning away from him and to think you know him when you do not you may aswell be spitting in his face.

If I had cherished iniquity in my heart, the Lord would not have listened. -Psalm 66:18
 
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Christianity is not a religion ...it is a reality ...

Christian = Christ follower ...

so yeah, i have no religion ... i have Christ ... i am a Christian ...

that's the rock i'm standing on and i'm sticking to it :)

without an ounce of dount ...

lilmiss
 
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Habakkuk 2:4

New King James Version (NKJV)

4 “Behold the proud,
His soul is not upright in him;
But {TheJust} shall live by his faith.

Are we commending ourselves to you again? No, we are giving you a reason to be proud of us, so you can answer those who brag about having a spectacular ministry rather than having a sincere heart. 2 Corinthians 5:12
 
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Why simply believe when you can be sure? Why stick to the fictional section of the library? I don't believe God exists, I know it and with that knowlage comes the awareness of what he is not, a labeled religion.

(Sorry and forgive me for the super late reply >.<)

You can have your own beliefs :)
 
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There is a very large portion of ourselves which we are unaware of. If we have a spirit, if life after death is possible then we must already be connected with and have access to our eternal existence.

How do you know any of this? Are you simply assuming? What is the source for what you've said here?

Its illogical to believe that we enter heaven as a spirit of ourselves,

What do you mean by "as a spirit of ourselves"? This sounds like you think a person is more than just their spirit. And why is it illogical to believe that a person's spirit ascends to heaven without that person's physical body?

if the world were run by dogs then there would be paintings of dogs with feathered wings thought of as angels.

Really? I'd think a dog's conception of heaven would be quite different. Golden fire hydrants, endless trees, countless sticks and rubber balls, fat, weak and clawless cats just prime for the chasing, etc. ;)

What we have here is non existent in heaven.

How do you know this? Have you been to heaven for a look around? Do you know somebody who has?

So what are beliefs but egocentric delusions.

Seriously? What you just said here seems to me to be a belief about beliefs. But if beliefs are delusions, then your belief that they are all delusions is itself a delusion. So why, then, should we accept your belief as true?

If you have absolutely no idea then how can you claim to and what are the chances of being correct?

Well, if you have absolutely no idea about a particular topic or thing, then, of course, you can't claim to be correct in your knowledge about it. Thing is, though, you've made a number of assertions in your post but have offered no reason to trust them as accurate or reliable. Your question here, then, could be asked of you, could it not?

Selah.
 
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Since nothing I say no matter how close to the word of God, will be looked on with respect, I will provide all my answers with biblical verses, though my knowlage comes from witness and witness comes from sinsere dedication, faith and forgiveness. When you have no concept of what is true, well that is the meaning of 'They know not what they do'. In other words, my knowlage comes from God itself.

How do you know any of this? Are you simply assuming? What is the source for what you've said here?


What do you mean by "as a spirit of ourselves"? This sounds like you think a person is more than just their spirit. And why is it illogical to believe that a person's spirit ascends to heaven without that person's physical body?

A person ascends to heaven no matter what, though the same amount of work is required before or after death and it is in our and God's favor we do not die.

Like sheep, they are destined for the realm of the dead, with death as their shepherd. The upright will have dominion over them in the morning; their strength will be consumed in the afterlife, so that they have no home. Psalm 49:14

Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2
Really? I'd think a dog's conception of heaven would be quite different. Golden fire hydrants, endless trees, countless sticks and rubber balls, fat, weak and clawless cats just prime for the chasing, etc. ;)


How do you know this? Have you been to heaven for a look around? Do you know somebody who has?


Seriously? What you just said here seems to me to be a belief about beliefs. But if beliefs are delusions, then your belief that they are all delusions is itself a delusion. So why, then, should we accept your belief as true?

But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. Romans 1:17

Well, if you have absolutely no idea about a particular topic or thing, then, of course, you can't claim to be correct in your knowledge about it. Thing is, though, you've made a number of assertions in your post but have offered no reason to trust them as accurate or reliable. Your question here, then, could be asked of you, could it not?

You won't be able to say, 'Here it is!' or 'It's over there!' For the Kingdom of God is already among you."Luke 17:21

Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. Romans 1:17

Very few will strive for or reach perfection because they don't understand it's value nor do they wish to learn it.
 
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I'm sorry, but not one of your verses made any sense as responses to my observations/questions. You're going to have to explain yourself if you want to be understood.

Selah.

It's not necessary or even possible that you understand me, it is however, benificial to desire to.
 
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There is a very large portion of ourselves which we are unaware of. If we have a spirit, if life after death is possible then we must already be connected with and have access to our eternal existence.

Its illogical to believe that we enter heaven as a spirit of ourselves, if the world were run by dogs then there would be paintings of dogs with feathered wings thought of as angels. What we have here is non existent in heaven. So what are beliefs but egocentric delusions. If you have absolutely no idea then how can you claim to and what are the chances of being correct?

God put into everyones Soul, the ideology of Eternity ...that is....there has to be more than just living here on earth for some 80 years (if your lucky) . There is a certain longing in our hearts...a yearning for something more and greater than our experience of earthly life. We may even feel that this life is just a prelude to something that never ends in the realm of eternity. These thoughts, feelings , etc... are something thats intrinsic to our Nature .

Beliefs can be based on credible and logical data and encompass good reason , then, beliefs can be wishful thinking because they offer a sense of comfort, validation, or personal satisfying. For the Christian, it is the PERSON of Jesus Christ where we place our trust because he is a historical man that numerous eye witnesses have written about based on living with him for 3 plus years and who saw, first hand, real miracles being performed...teachings that were amazing in substance....he lived a life that no one could find any wrong or sin in .... he claimed then proved his identity as being Divine ... and fulfilled over 300 extremely narrow Prophecies made hundreds of years in advance of his arrival including crucifixion which was even invented by the Romans then. This Jesus said emphatically and without apology , that, there IS an eternity...that there is a conscious life after this one and for those who trust in him for forgiven ess of sins and so get reconciled to God...that even though they die yet shall they live . And that eternal life was theres as a free undeserved gift from God in return for them placing their trust in Christ.

So, for the Christian, his Belief of eternity is in a Person who proved himself greatly by actually beating death then returning to life as witnessed by hundreds afterward . THIS kind of eye witness evidence as recorded in the New Testament, is objective and not based on what One hopes is true with reference to eternity ; we can KNOW there is an eternity and we can KNOW that we have it awaiting us because Christ said so. Jesus taught that there were one of two places in eternity : With him in heaven, or, apart from him in a location called Hell. And it depends on what we decide to do with Christ : Either reject him as Saviour of sins, or, embrace and trust that his sacrifical death was enough to save us from sins . God will simply grant what we wanted in this life : GreatER closeness to God or greatER distance from him. We choose and he grants.

Eternity can be yours right now instead of hoping its real later on. And thats the assurance God our Creator wants us to have so we can live a full, meaningful, happy life knowing that our earthly troubles will one day give way to eternal bliss in a new environment that will never end and will have joys unspeakable.

If this sounds good to you, it IS...and to get it requires you to take some action as my signature passage says. So please click onto it and be genuine in recieving Christ as your King and Saviour. Then you will be in the family of God and will live with him forever starting now and most assuredly, after this life. Hope to see you there !
 
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... he claimed then proved his identity
as will I, I have already performed miracles under my own witness and it is only a matter of time that they will be used on others, though if the one who receives them tells others he will not be believed, such is the current human condition.
 
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If we have a spirit, if life after death is possible then we must already be connected with and have access to our eternal existence.
This reminds me of the concept of the kingdom of heaven. That heaven is not just a location or destination, but its activity continues perpetually and we can be a part of it right now.

So where you're describing our spirits with a more eternal state, I am just describing a realm with an eternal state that we access.

Matthew 16:19

I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind (declare to be improper and unlawful) on earth must be what is already bound in heaven; and whatever you loose (declare lawful) on earth must be what is already loosed in heaven.

Search for: kingdom of heaven - Bible Search - Reference Desk - StudyLight.org
 
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