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I've read so many posts where people who have ocd fear they've lost their salvation. My huge fear is that I've never truly been saved to begin with. I've posted before about this, and I know I have ocd, but the fear is so real. No matter how many times I've prayed to be saved, tried to gumption the faith to mean it, etc., it's just that I never really seem to have made that inner connection with God through Jesus inside. I do get emotional, but I'm so tired of feeling like a spectator at church or while watching people worship. I feel as an orphaned child who is unwanted or just can't seem to get that acceptance no matter what. Like the outsider who always looks on while others participate.

I feel like I'm having a pity party right now. I'm glad that I can on this forum.


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Hi Becca,
Mine was like that too. I began to think that I never really had faith to begin with. That I was a phony a fake. Be aware that that harder we try to muster up feelings of faith the worse off we feel. You cannot do that and you shouldn't try. Let go of the feelings thing totally. Then walk in obedience. The only reason you would do that is because you have enough faith to know that you should. Go with that. We obey because we have faith that we should and we know we have faith because we choose to obey. "If you love me, then keep my commandments." Why would you bother at all if you didn't believe that you should? OCD can rob us of our emotional reassurance but it cannot rob us of our choice to follow Christ.
Praying for you.
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As soon as I lost my fear of losing my salvation I've had fears that I wasn't saved to begin with too. Waiting for that emotional connection is often problematic. Nowhere does the bible say this, in fact, in the Bible loving God is described as following and obeying Him, not feeling certain feelings. This gives me comfort because my emotions are not under control a good majority of the time, and I'd imagine that because of the OCD yours generally aren't either.
 
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As you know, the OCD battle can take many forms. If it can't get in one way, it will try ANOTHER. I have certainly had the fear you have. Had it for many years. In fact, one time my husband had a dream he felt had a spiritual meaning in which basically I was unable to "join the party" because of my OCD battles. We are "at the party" but OCD wont let us enjoy it. I often think it's really like, rather, that we're desperately trying to inside a room we are already in. Does that make sense? All I know to tell you is what I say to everyone here---treat the OCD! Whatever that looks like for you.... Counseling, meds whatever. Praying for you.
 
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Thanks so much to everyone for responding. Although I've said it before on this site, there are about 3 things that I get hung up on. Even if I push them down and try to realize that I obsess about them, they are hovering in my subconsciousness always. I won't list them all, but I'll mention one in particular.

It has been times when I've been certain that God has confirmed that, although I do have ocd, the fears I'm ocding about are personally legitimate. Like the time I was so upset about feeling I had never really been saved and felt so hopeless with it all, so I took my Bible and walked outside and cried out to God. I asked Him why I had never changed, why this thing never changed in my life, why I couldn't seem to get to Him and get over this salvation issue in my personal life. Of course, I opened my Bible hoping God would make it open to something that would offer me comfort and hope. The very verses I read didn't make sense to me. They were the verses that talk about wineskin in Matthew 9:16-17. I told God that I didn't even understand what these verses meant.They were when Jesus was telling people that you didn't pour old wine into a new wineskin, but you poured it into a new wineskin. I sure felt as if they applied to me somehow though. So I added, "I'm sure You're going to tell me though." I felt doomed and like God was telling me something I didn't really want to hear.

Of course, the next day was Sunday and at church these are the exact verses the sermon was about. The minister said that new wine, representing Jesus, couldn't be poured into old wineskin, representing the unsaved person who was still in their "old dead in sin body", because that person couldn't contain Him. That the person had to be made "new in Christ", a new wineskin, to be changed and to be able to contain Him, the new wine.

My heart beat faster and that sinking feeling that my fearful feelings that God has just confirmed, yet again, what my heart knows (that I've not really been saved and changed) washed over me. Things such as this have happened so much and I can't seem to overcome them.

How else was I supposed to take it except the way that I did? That God was confirming my fear that I hadn't been made new. That I don't change, that this issue in my life doesn't change, because I've not been made new?

A man who has helped many people to overcome their fears, etc., through their relationship with Jesus told me one time when he heard about my struggles that it sounded as if I was a believer, but that I had never genuinely repented. I feel that I never really have either. I've cried and prayed and tried to make myself FEEL repentant, but it's just as if there's this calloused wall around my heart.

So, I fasted and prayed trying to get an answer to overcome this, yet fearing at the same time that I would feel stuck even if I got an answer. I went to church on the Wednesday night, something I typically don't do because I honestly don't enjoy going to church, of the week I was fasting and praying. I felt I would get my answer and, sure enough, the sermon was about repenting and having to repent to be saved.

Here I am beating my head against this invisible wall that seems to have no way around. It's like it's always before me.

I hate to say that I don't like going to church, but I feel like an evil person amongst God's real children. Like a snake in the garden somewhat. It's what I know, I'm churched really well, but I fear that's all it is.

Okay, this was longer than I meant for it to be. But, if it wasn't God confirming that these fears have a strong basis in reality when I've cried out the "whys" to my feeling lost and unsaved, why don't I ever hear things like "anyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved", and the sermon being about sometimes people may feel that they don't belong, yet they do instead of sermons that "confirm" my very fears? Kay Kay, the dream your husband had seemed to confirm that you belong, even though you don't feel it. The answers I get, outside of people trying to reassure me, seem to always be God confirming that I really haven't entered the party.

Ocd or not, people do have to genuinely repent and believe.

Thanks again for allowing me to spout out about these controlling life issues.
 
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I know you won't necessarily believe this but sometimes when we are sensitive to certain things, scriptures, topics or whatever sometimes these very things seem to appear "out of nowhere." I can recall at least 3 incidences in my own life and Though they seemed uncanny at the time, I can look back and see they most likely were NOT of God. They involved issues I was dealing with, not salvation but other things.
I can also tell you that you shared this awhile back and the next Sunday my Pastor discussed the wine skin scriptures and talked about them in the context of (CHRISTIANS) getting "stuck" in old ways of responding , doing things. Not relating it to salvation at all!!! I felt at the time that this was for you! That the Lord was saying to you NOT that you weren't saved but that you were "stuck" in OCD patterns! Now this was just right after you shared this on the forum, mind you! But your OCD will cause you often to write off stuff like that and yet believe the condemning stuff.
This is why it is vital, even for Christians who don't battle OCD to discern circumstances that occur before attributing them necessarily to God. But this is especially critical if you battle OCD. Does this make sense?
If you have turned to the Lord the best you know how and given Him your life the best you know how...what else is there??! This IS REPENTANCE!!! It's not a feeling but a decision to follow the Lord ( for someone who hasn't been)

But of course, OCD will always come up with something we lack or lacked!Know what I mean? you didn't say it perfectly, you didn't do it perfectly yada yada yada says OCD
 
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Thanks ever so much for informing me of that Kay Kay. It really helps! I'll be able to remember what you said your pastor's message was about the next time that thought tries to torment me. I knew I'd posted it before, but it is a thought that's been a HUGE burden for me. Now I'll try to see it in a different light.

Hugs to you!
 
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Great! I hope you WILL indeed remember that! And don't let the OCD try to talk u out of it somewhere down the road!!
 
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Interesting. This is exactly what I'm going through. If I'm not fighting something then I can't calm down because, well, the Bible says that there is a way that seems right unto man and leads to destruction. I don't want to combine it with one other verse which discourages me but let's just say that what I fear most is having no difficulty at all. I often call upon the name of the Lord to help me out and lead me but sometimes I feel as if God isn't willing to. My emotions are, quite frankly, totally out of control sometimes. The biggest struggle I ever had was blasphemous thoughts and feelings towards God. I don't want to blame anyone but it started after I heard the message in which preacher said that if we love things of the world we will go to hell because it means we have no love of the Father in us. That was the worst episode in my life which I struggle with and that is my consciousness often telling me that I'm fake and actually am in love with the world and sometimes I get thoughts, and bad, horrific feelings towards God. I can't stop them and I don't know if I really love Him or not anymore. I don't know why but sometimes I feel like my faith is going to implode.
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@OP: Maybe this is just an episode in your life. I don't know what are you going through but take heart at the fact that God will use it for good. Even if it lasts a lifetime. Not saying it will, please don't take this too personally because I don't want you to suffer more, but God is willing and in fact does use everything for our good. You can talk to Him about this and even all day if it takes. Prayer is awesome because God is always there and He does love us.

EDIT: @OP: I had a dream a year ago which makes sense if I'm not saved. You shouldn't think about feeling and such so much. I know it's easier said than done because there's thins hollowness in our heart sometimes (it's following me since I got saved and often makes me doubt that I am really saved) or even worse, some sort of spiritual wall that's even transparent in a sense that you know where are you supposed to be but you just aren't there. In my dream I was standing in front of Jesus and asked Him "What about me?". What happened next is that I was pushed away and got to some book. It was open and the pages were empty. Woe is me if that depicts the book of life without my name.

But I can tell you that the only solution is to, even if you're saved and don't feel like you are, is to cry out to the Lord daily to give you the joy of His salvation. He is faithful and willing to do so.

God bless you!
 
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Hi Becca, I don't know a lot about OCD, and I will be praying for you. This is just an obsevation. Would it be possible for you to eliminate many of the negative words from your vocabulary and thinking? The title to this thread "I Hate This" is not an uplifting statement. Other words that jump out at me are: fears, fearful, sinking feeling, fearful feelings, beating my head against this invisible wall.

This really jumps out at me: "I hate to say that I don't like going to church, but I feel like an evil person amongst God's real children. Like a snake in the garden somewhat"

I'm saying this in love, but such thinking and use of negative words do nothing to uplift yourself or enhance spiritual growth. Blessings to you.
 
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