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Davedjy has presented evidence that the translation of the bible is not reflective of the original meaning. It is obvious you do not like this as it conflicts with your desire to justify personal prejudice. Instead of condemning him for not believing as you do, you might to well to actually examine the sources Davedgy presented and learn about the problems of translating form dead languages to modern languages.So, you believe in the interpretations that "set you free" from Satan? Or... make you okay when you sin?
Hmmmm....
Again, how can anyone read the above verses and misinterpret them. How 'bout you tell us what you think they mean.
Davedjy backs up his statements with references. He has obviously studied the topic and the bible.
Disloyal? I think dishonest is a better wordteen, you presented yourself as someone who was so confused and doubtful about the whole issue, when you clearly had a crystal clear opinion from before. a little bit disloyal , don't you think?
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Davedjy backs up his statements with references.
Davedjy has presented evidence that the translation of the bible is not reflective of the original meaning.Davedjy backs up his statements with homosexual propaganda websites.
Davedjy has presented evidence that the translation of the bible is not reflective of the original meaning.
Simply because that scholarship does not support the hate you have for gays and lesbians does not mean it is acceptable to flame davedjy or the scholars he references. Your personal prejudices do nothing to falsify the evidence presented.
If a researcher presented evidence that did not support your personal prejudice and that researcher happened to be non-white would you attack that research by saying it came from black propaganda websites?
Why not?
You just demonstrated you are more than willing to express hatred and denounce one minority why not a different minority
Bigotry based on skin color is no different form bigotry based on sexual oriention.
[SIZE=-1]Davedjy has presented evidence that the translation of the bible is not reflective of the original meaning. It is obvious you do not like this as it conflicts with your desire to justify personal prejudice. Instead of condemning him for not believing as you do, you might to well to actually examine the sources Davedgy presented and learn about the problems of translating form dead languages to modern languages[/SIZE]
Davedjy backs up his statements with references. He has obviously studied the topic and the bible.
You cherry pick vases to justify bigotry and attack anyone who dares to not hate the same minority you have chosen to hate and in doing so ignore the message of Jesus and the bible.
I think it is pretty obvious who really cares about what scripture says and who does not.
Hey, everyone stop!
This isn't about what so-and-so said about such-and-such. This is about what the Bible says. And the Bible is very clear. If you want to carry on a conversation about something else, please move it some place else. This thread was about what the Bible says.
I'm sorry for the random outburst.Please continue. ... (I need a "Bible" smiley)
Davedgys documentation is more credible than yours as your cut and pastes are all appeals to history.I will repeat what others have already said. Dave has NOT presented any credible, verifiable, historical evidence of anything. NOTHING! NADA! All he has done is copy/paste unsupported, undocumented, unsubstantiated rubbish from prohomosexual websites. I have shown several times how the articles he copy/pastes do not properly cite any quotes, have internal contradictions, and make illogical statements.
Here OTOH is credible, verifiable, historical evidence WITH proper citations showing that it is in fact the homsexual perversion of, "the bible is not reflective of the original meaning."
This evidence spans approximately 1500 years of church history, from 1200 BC through 300 AD.
From the time Moses delivered the law, to the Israelites, ca. 1200 BC, until the present, Jewish scholars interpreted the O.T. scriptures as condemning ALL same gender sex acts; by ALL persons, male and female; at ALL times, in ALL places, and under ALL circumstances, NO exceptions or exclusions. The early church fathers also interpreted the N.T. scriptures as condemning ALL homosexual acts, with NO exceptions.
The ancient Jewish scholars and the ECF did NOT even mention, and did NOT limit the condemnation of homosexual acts to, homosexual rape,temple prostitution,enslaved boy prostitutes,effete, jaded Roman nobles, pagan temples and/or pagan religious activities!
Recent posts: Evidence from Talmud, and other ancient Jewish writings, Link
Evidence from early church fathers, Link
Actually if you were to read what was being posted you would notice the debate IS about what the bible says.Hey, everyone stop!
This isn't about what so-and-so said about such-and-such. This is about what the Bible says. And the Bible is very clear. If you want to carry on a conversation about something else, please move it some place else. This thread was about what the Bible says.
I'm sorry for the random outburst.Please continue. ... (I need a "Bible" smiley)
you contradict yoruself
[SIZE=-1]Davedgys documentation is more credible than yours as your cut and pastes are all appeals to history[/SIZE].
[SIZE=-1]Actually if you were to read what was being posted you would notice the debate IS about what the bible says.
At issue is the translation of key verses. On the one hand Davedgy has posted evidence about mistranslation of these verses and on the other DerAlter appeals to history (we have discriminated for centuries therefore it is all right to continue.[/SIZE]
Have you noticed that everytime you say "NO, ZERO, NONE evidence " someone produces is it and yuou end up shifting your goal posts again?And the only way we know what the Bible says is by the way the Bible was interpeted by the people of God who actually lived in the era and actually read and understood those languages. NOT the way scripture is perverted at homosexual websites without any grammatical or lexical evidence.
Dave has NOT posted any evidence of anything only copy/pastes of 2d - 3d hand stuff from homosexual websites. There is NO, ZERO, NONE evidence that anything at those websites is accurate, or factual.
Nah they produce speculation, no real evidence.Have you noticed that everytime you say "NO, ZERO, NONE evidence " someone produces is it and yuou end up shifting your goal posts again?
I think I'm still waiting for you to give a clear and concise definition of what you will accept as "evidence"... I seem to recall that the last time we spoke, you seemed fairly firmly ensconced in the "if it disagrees with my existing views, it isn't evidence" campNah they produce speculation, no real evidence.
Simple, provide historical evidence of church fathers regarding the topic of homosexuality in which they clearly approved it. If you are regarding scientific evidence please show the findings of the gay gene and the individuals theoretical frame work which lead him to that conclusion. Not just "two cats are rubbing against each other that means they are gay."I think I'm still waiting for you to give a clear and concise definition of what you will accept as "evidence"... I seem to recall that the last time we spoke, you seemed fairly firmly ensconced in the "if it disagrees with my existing views, it isn't evidence" camp
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