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Then why is Christ still a stranger to me? why dont I have a personal relationship with him yet? and its not as though I have not been trying, I have been in this state of despair for over a year now trying to be saved and still unable to attain salvation.
The only logical reason I can think of is that I have committed the unpardonable sin (spurned the Holy Ghost from sinning against the light I was given).
I feel like im gonna give into porn again, the temptation today for me to look at that stuff is extremely strong.
AVG JOE
Contrary to popular belief, to repent does not mean to feel sorry for your sins and ask forgivness, no, to repent means to turn away, to change your current path, to do an about face, to turn from your sin. So, asking God to forgive you of your sin, means nothing, unless you repent (turn away from) from your sins. In Luke 13:3 Jesus said, "I tell you; but unless you repent you will perish."
Was reading Matt 3 & Lk 3 this morning as your above thought headed in my mind to that direction
What did J the B say to those who came to hear him & to be baptized
'Show forth Fruits proving your Repentance'
Ariellamb said:There are few JB preachers today
That is so true with all of us... It is a life long process. The temptations that so easily beset us.. as Paul said.robert....you simply need to follow the Lord. no matter what you say you cannot convince me that you are cut off from God and unable to be saved. now i used to be in your shoes, convinced that i was "unpardonable". whether you feel unpardonable or not....follow the Lord. that is what i did and it has been a success (it took time. month after month after month). now what do i mean by "follow the Lord"....well our pastor puts it this way "turning away from our sins and towards Christ." letting him have the "steering wheel" of our life, putting what he says (in the scriptures) into practice, asking for his mercy when we fail.
i believe that this concern you have about wanting to be right with God is something that shows that the Holy Spirit is at work on your life. i am telling you thats the way i came to the Lord....thru my horror of not being right with him. the way out of that state of despair is to put your trust in Christ and follow God in spite of your feelings. now, that doesn't mean if you do that, your despair will go away overnight. it may take a week or a month or a year or more (God works on his own time schedule). i read about a man named william cowper (you should look him up online) and he also sufferred thru this kind of despair (he thought he could not be saved) but he followed God anyways. and he was used by God to write hymns. i would encourage you to read about him from what you can find on the internet.
about the porn temptation.....we are all sinners and we are all gonna be tempted to sin. even when we follow God, the temptation to sin is always gonna be there until we go to heaven (because of our sin nature). but what we need to do is fight the temptation, and pray about it and ask for the Lord's help to resist. and when we mess up and give in, we need to ask God's forgiveness and help to overcome our sin. it is a lifelong process. yes....facing temptation is hard, i face temptations every day.
When I look at myself and I see the way I have sinned against God when I knew better makes it very difficult for me to understand how I could be saved.
Errm Not quite right there
God hates sin and is hurt by the sinner who deliberately plans on that path
As much as i love Robert i cannot condone or encourage him hurting the One who died for him
WOW!!!!
Well brother, you are definitely not alone, as I am in a VERY similar boat as you. I think I understand what you mean by saving faith. In fact, I didn't know what I was missing/what to call it until I saw your post, so that in itself means your post was very valuable.
If we are in a similar boat, it sounds like you want perfect faith, like the kind of faith that will allow you to get through any torture, trial or tribulation without a second glance at fear and doubt.
I also have a good knowledge (I feel) of the bible, but I also sin, and those temptations are very strong brother I know. I don't know about you, but I get these moments of clarity where I am strong as an Ox, then maybe I will backslide and I fall twice as far it seems. And then, I will do something stupid. I know it is wrong, but I am so low and disappointed in myself I do it anyway. This is a form of spiritual cutting, because we know fully the consequences (death,) but we do it anyway.
Have you been crying out to God? Asking him what you are doing? Begging him to help you? Have you found yourself talking to God more than you do some friends, even if it is venting and telling him what is wrong with you? It sounds like you are, and I think our Father may be inducing this in us.
Without you knowing it, you may already have a very powerful relationship with our Father, but because you see yourself as a hell-bound sinner, you cant see the relationship you have with God that is probably diamond-strength. Maybe you don't feel like you deserve that relationship because of who you [think you] are.
The truth is, in the real world there are very few people that want to hear anyone's problems, because it is confrontational and others have problems too. And that leaves people like you and me to our own thoughts of erroneously evaluating our worth and relationship with our Father. Automatically, we are at a handicap because in addition to our best efforts at beating ourselves up, Satan is right there with his buddies trying to grind us unto the spiritual dirt. All the more reason to lean on our Father.
You may be going through the "pruning/refining" that God talks about. If we (you, me and the world) can truly trust that everything will work out, especially if we love Him, then we would be greatly advantaged.
At least, that is what it sounds like to me. Take it from someone who is actively going through something very similar to you. [In my moment of clarity I can say] Satan is just trying to make you hold on to the last couple of drops of "sin" you have because you are a threat to him. If you were to tough it out with your Father and eventually get that dense faith you want, how could satan touch you? He really cant now, but he is just playing like he can. And, for another one of God's children to come out of the fire purified in the end times, right when he is getting ready to [try to] set up shop here on earth? YOU are very dangerous to satan and his buddies.
Brother, I understand where you are, and empathize with you. Even in my moments of clarity like now I still wonder about myself and my faith. Everyday is a struggle. I don't have dense faith like we want, but I have gained some faith... much more than I ever had.
About five or six years ago I read in the bible where God says that if you love anyone more than him (mother, father, son, daughter), you cannot be with Him. Now, I love my mother DEARLY, so this scared me a lot because I couldn't think of any greater love, and I knew I didn't love God as much as I loved my mother. So, I prayed to my Father to show me how to love him like I am supposed to. BOY DID I GO ON A SPIRITUAL ROLLER COASTER DURING THOSE 5 YEARS!!!!! But, I actually love Him more than my mother now... volumes more. I need him, and I get depressed when sin separates us. Satan knows this and exploits it.
So, I know from personal fact that He will give you something if you ask, especially if it is out of love. In fact, it has already been done. In the mean time, satan is trying to convince us that God is a liar and we aren't worthy of anything we ask of him. So brother, while we wait for the precious gifts our father is going to give us, we have get in some spiritual training. I am 100% positive if you [have] ask(ed) our Father for that dense faith you desperately want and need, he will give it to you.
Well, that was long winded lol.. things will work out brother. Try not to beat yourself up so much. If you are feeling helpless come on here and give some of your valuable insights on the Word. That will help take the focus off of you. Trust me bro it helps, no matter how reluctant you are.
Love and blessings brother. If you ever wanna talk I am always around.
Peace.
Hello Ariellamb, whilst I agree with you that God does not condone sin, I find it unimaginable that a loving God would be angry with someone like Robert who is suffering terribly as a result of the damaging false doctrine promoted by the various preachers he has come across. What their teaching has done to his poor guy's health and self-esteem is beyond contempt and the fact that they have promoted it in the name of Christ is almost unforgivable. Robert is looking for some kind of relief from the unbearable pain that he is suffering and whilst I would agree with you that he may be going about it the wrong way here, I think God would have tremendous compassion on him given the circumstances.
Amen... be a overcomer.. in all the sins that so easily beset us..So true brother in struggle! Trust in God don't think you can stop sin yourself, such thinking is folly.
The Bible says let grace rule!
Yet what happens when you do that?
The Dragon rears! The tempter calls, many condemn - others encourage - and sin seems to flourish, leaving you dead on the ground in The End.
Yet why mourn that, but not Him?
I found that being free must also mean I can choose for sin. At least this way I can see I'm wrong and and go to Christ for forgiveness and learn to love Him for what He did and does for me! Also this way I know I can't do it myself and rely completely on Christ sacrifice to get me in.
And you know what I found?
When grace grows in sinful self then love for sin starts to die!
This is especially true after - the grace abuser - the son of lawlessness has been revealed - that living in us doomed to destruction - when the love of Christ - cuts our greedy, selfish, arrogant, lustful and unfaithful parts out of our spirit.(Daniel 7) For being like that is doomed to be lost forever! For such will not inherit eternal life - but gnash its teeth, (Jude.) While we who have fornicated with that will bow down at Jesus feet and die to being like that in tears, never to let ourself become like that no more but become faithful to God's love and walk through life freely from then on - loving God, self and other! (Rev 1)
after that the rest of Revelation will follow automatically - time and again - the wheels of God's truth renewing and restoring you into True Newness of Life.
I swear by God almighty this is true!
His gracious love has set me completely free from my sin and He daily treats me as His beloved child - wherever or whatever!
and so yes, even in my flesh I'm learning to serve Him just as is written!
This is what I found - Let the unholy be unholy still, let the vile be vile still, and let the holy be holy still - once you see the angel say that to you then you will begin to understand the goat and the sheep perspective from a much more personal perspective - and marvel at God's grace.
All glory to Him!
Thats just the problem, all I can see are my sins and for the life of me I cannot see the way of escape and without the Holy Spirits presence in my life I guess I should not expect to be able to see the light because unless the Holy Spirit is striving with a person they cannot and will not be able to see or understand the light because its only by the power of the Holy Spirit that anyone see's the light.
Are you still around, Robert? How are you doing?Then why is Christ still a stranger to me? why dont I have a personal relationship with him yet? and its not as though I have not been trying, I have been in this state of despair for over a year now trying to be saved and still unable to attain salvation.
The only logical reason I can think of is that I have committed the unpardonable sin (spurned the Holy Ghost from sinning against the light I was given).
I feel like im gonna give into inappropriate content again, the temptation today for me to look at that stuff is extremely strong.
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