I didn't know Dr. Phil was born again...

[CrazyforYeshua]

I was told by a friend he was on James Robison. Part of the transcript is here

http://www.pearceyreport.com/archives/2006/12/dr_phil_jesus_c_1.php

 

[smilzngrinz]

My mom will be happy to hear this! She's all the time quoting Dr. Phil. She says she knows his show isn't Christian, but he gives such good advice. Now we know why.

 

[msbojingles]

Dr. Phil's wife was one of the speakers at this year's Women of Faith conference in Orlando, FL.

 

[tonysma]

I think I would do some research on that one..the way he swears on there shows no fruit of the spirit...

 

[charityagape]

If you cuss you're not a Christian?

 

[tonysma]

The power of life and death are in the tongue...no,sometimes on an occasion, I have sworn...I do not do it on a daily bacis..I hear him on every show...proof is in the pudding..immediately I do ask for forgiveness...

 

[CrazyforYeshua]

Salvation isn't of works, so I'm not thinking saying cuss words is gonna say you're not saved. Maybe not real mature in the faith, or not discipled as you should be, but if he has asked forgiveness, and repented, he is saved.

 

[tonysma]

I'm sorry, doctor, head doctor, you do not talk to people like he does, and swear at them...NO...He seems like a nice enough person, but that's not going to get you to heaven...I am going to personally research this...

 

[smilzngrinz]

I've never seen his show, so I didn't know he swears. Maybe that's why my mom always says she knows his show isn't Christian.

Maybe you're right that he isn't a mature Christian. On the other hand, there seem to be more and more people who call themselves Christians, but there's no fruit. I think some practice "Christianity as they understand it" and not necessarily Christianity as God laid it out in the bible. Whatever happened to holiness and living consecrated to God? There's such true joy and peace in yielding to God and behaving as He tells us to do.

 

[tonysma]

I googled Dr. Phil, born again christian...some say yes, some say, no,.... I try not to judge people..because we are not suppose to..and I do not want people to judge me... I do read my bible and try to stay on that narrrow path...sometimes I do slip on a rock..lol

 

[TheMatmanReturns]

The power of life and death are in the tongue...no,sometimes on an occasion, I have sworn...I do not do it on a daily bacis..I hear him on every show...proof is in the pudding..immediately I do ask for forgiveness...

Yes, but where in the Bible are cuss words delineated?

 

[victoryword]

I think I would do some research on that one..the way he swears on there shows no fruit of the spirit...

I'm with you here. While many of us can occasionally slip (we don't have to but we some times do), for someone to do it with no remorse, in public, and still profess boldly Christianity is a wonder to me. We are not to let corrupt communication come from our mouths (Eph. 4:29).

I won't judge his status as a child of God, but at this point I won't be rejoicing over his status as a "celebrity Christian." Christians should have some distinction from those that are in the world. If the world sees you acting and talking like them then they will unlikely want to be a Christian (because there is no difference) or they will think that a person can profess Christianity and live the same old corrupt life.

 

[holo]

The fruit of the Spirit isn't that you stop saying words that some religous people object to.

 

[victoryword]

The fruit of the Spirit isn't that you stop saying words that some religous people object to.

How about if God objects to it?

It perplexes me that people who say that they are Christians would want to engage in the same offensive behavior as the world does and continue to talk like the world while claiming to be a Christian. Doesn't anyone want to have a TESTIMONY anymore that wins the world?

Can any of you go to God in prayer using the "F" word? Can I complain to the Heavenly Father using expressions like "G_dd_mmit" and other such things? If I cannot use profanity in prayer then how can I justify using it in my everyday life, especially in public?

Don't let sexual sin, perversion of any kind, or greed even be mentioned among you. This is not appropriate behavior for God's holy people. It's not right that dirty stories, foolish talk, or obscene jokes should be mentioned among you either. Instead, give thanks [to God]. (Eph. 5:3, 4; God's Word Translation)​

 

[Hisgirl]

SO....Dr. Phil not being perfect causes you to doubt he has accepted the free gift of salvation that he professed with his mouth on James Robison's show?

Are we perfect? Have we possibly had an ill thought? Have we had any kind of idol in our life? Have we gossiped?

Everything we do is but filthy rags. The only thing worth squat about us is who lives in us...the Spirit of Christ.

I've heard Dr. Phil tell an abused woman she needs to 'kick her husband's ass to the curb" I LOVE that. Amen Dr. Phil!! I've used the ocassional cuss word when I was frustrated or mad. That doesn't mean I don't love Jesus. It means I don't always walk after the Spirit.

I agree that the proof of someone's salvation is perfection. But it sure ain't MY perfection God looks to.

 

[holo]

How about if God objects to it?

God isn't as nitpicky as we are

It perplexes me that people who say that they are Christians would want to engage in the same offensive behavior as the world does and continue to talk like the world while claiming to be a Christian. Doesn't anyone want to have a TESTIMONY anymore that wins the world?

Yes, but what does a testimony have to do with cussing? I wasn't saved from one way of speaking to another. But of course, when people change, their lanugage will often change too.

Can any of you go to God in prayer using the "F" word?

Yes, of course I can. I speak my mind, in my own language, and I'll speak in a way that's natural for me, especially when talking to the Lord! I don't put on an act for his sake. If I'm feeling like ****, I'll tell him that.

With other people, of course, it may be different. Some may be offended by the words I use, so I'll try to adjust.

 

[JEBrady]

Anyone that wants to justify disobedience to the Word can do so. Consider that we are in the last days, and some won't accept sound doctrine. The point always, when it comes to if behavior is sin, is what the scripture says. If it's disputable, you don't make it a matter of doctrine. Is this disputable?

Jesus said what comes out of our mouths indicates what is in our hearts. Should blessing and cursing come out of the same mouth? Consider the scripture (my bold):

1 My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment. 2 For we all stumble in many things. If anyone does not stumble in word, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle the whole body. 3 Indeed,[a] we put bits in horses’ mouths that they may obey us, and we turn their whole body. 4 Look also at ships: although they are so large and are driven by fierce winds, they are turned by a very small rudder wherever the pilot desires. 5 Even so the tongue is a little member and boasts great things.
See how great a forest a little fire kindles! 6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity. The tongue is so set among our members that it defiles the whole body, and sets on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire by hell. 7 For every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and creature of the sea, is tamed and has been tamed by mankind. 8 But no man can tame the tongue. It is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. 9 With it we bless our God and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in the similitude of God. 10 Out of the same mouth proceed blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not to be so. 11 Does a spring send forth fresh water and bitter from the same opening? 12 Can a fig tree, my brethren, bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Thus no spring yields both salt water and fresh.[b]

 

[victoryword]

God isn't as nitpicky as we are

My friend, you have a philosophy about God, but you lack a biblical knowldge of Him. God is much more nitpicky than you think. If you think that God no longer requires you to live a holy life (and your language and talk as I will show you from the BIBLE has everything to do with that) then you have been deceived.

Yes, but what does a testimony have to do with cussing? I wasn't saved from one way of speaking to another.

If you weren't then you need to get saved for real. You obviously did not read the passage I cited in my post (Eph. 5:3, 4) or you chose to ignore it, or you simply do not take God's Word seriously if you make this type of statement. Nonetheless, Paul also said in this same book:

Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth *. Let no * * corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: (Eph. 4:28-31)
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Should we say that we were not saved from stealing to not stealing? Is cussing good and does it edify and minister grace to hearers? (from reading your post so far, you would probably answer yes, which I think is a shame but it shows me the low standards among some "Christians" these days).

But of course, when people change, their lanugage will often change too.

That's a contradiction of your last statement.

Yes, of course I can. I speak my mind, in my own language, and I'll speak in a way that's natural for me, especially when talking to the Lord! I don't put on an act for his sake. If I'm feeling like ****, I'll tell him that.

My friend, if you can go before Almighty God and talk with a filthy mouth then you really need to evaluate yourself. I truly fear for you.

While God is a loving Father, He is still to be REVERENCED and feared, which means you don't just talk to Him any kind of way you want to. I don't know what kind of upbringing you have had, but I would never have dared to just "speak my mind -cuss words and all" to my parents. My children would not dare do that to me without me ensuring that they suffer some recourse.

If you are patting yourself on the back for using cuss words with God, I am truly concerned for you.

With other people, of course, it may be different. Some may be offended by the words I use, so I'll try to adjust.

Do more than adjust. GET DELIVERANCE!!!

 

[holo]

Anyone that wants to justify disobedience to the Word can do so. Consider that we are in the last days, and some won't accept sound doctrine. The point always, when it comes to if behavior is sin, is what the scripture says. If it's disputable, you don't make it a matter of doctrine. Is this disputable?

Jesus said what comes out of our mouths indicates what is in our hearts. Should blessing and cursing come out of the same mouth? Consider the scripture (my bold):

1 My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment. 2 For we all stumble in many things. If anyone does not stumble in word, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle the whole body. 3 Indeed,[a] we put bits in horses’ mouths that they may obey us, and we turn their whole body. 4 Look also at ships: although they are so large and are driven by fierce winds, they are turned by a very small rudder wherever the pilot desires. 5 Even so the tongue is a little member and boasts great things.
See how great a forest a little fire kindles! 6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity. The tongue is so set among our members that it defiles the whole body, and sets on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire by hell. 7 For every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and creature of the sea, is tamed and has been tamed by mankind. 8 But no man can tame the tongue. It is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. 9 With it we bless our God and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in the similitude of God. 10 Out of the same mouth proceed blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not to be so. 11 Does a spring send forth fresh water and bitter from the same opening? 12 Can a fig tree, my brethren, bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Thus no spring yields both salt water and fresh.[b]

I don't know exactly what dr. Phil has reportedly said, but doubt he actually cursed anyone. He probably used a strong word, like christians also tend to do. The only difference is that christians use different words. For example, instead of using the "f-word" and such, we can tell each other that we're heretics or unsaved or blaspheming the Lord.

 

[JimB]

If you cuss you're not a Christian?

What th’ #!%*&!

~Jim