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It only changed secular law, but that is what I base my understanding of law on.
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It only changed secular law, but that is what I base my understanding of law on.Are you claiming that God's law is identical to man's law when the same crime is discussed in both? That is, that Abortion was murder period before Roe v. Wade, but afterwards when the secular definition changed that changed the definition of murder generally (including God's law)?
1. Do you agree that abortion, as the termination of human life, is immoral?Because this particular Christian is really into secular law and to me law is defined by whether or not one can be sued, arrested, charged ECT if one commits an act.
I believe it is IMMORAL that does not mean that I believe that early-term abortion should be treated the same as "regular" murder.1. Do you agree that abortion, as the termination of human life, is immoral?
2. Do you believe that, given an affirmation of the above, abortion should be illegal?
If you answer yes to these two questions, then it would be very hard to justify voting for any candidate or party that supports keep abortion legal. If you answered no to these questions, I'd have a hard time seeing how you could justify that as a Christian thinking through these issues on the basis of Christian ethics.
Why? At what point is it not quite murder, and at what point does it become murder? Where is the demarcation line? If it is murder in all cases, including early term, than why would murder in one case be legal and yet illegal in another?that does not mean that I believe that early-term abortion should be treated the same as "regular" murder.
Maybe we should start another thread simply because this has derailed your thread not that I do not have an answer.Why? At what point is it not quite murder, and at what point does it become murder? Where is the demarcation line? If it is murder in all cases, including early term, than why would murder in one case be legal and yet illegal in another?
Should it be punished the same as murder?Why? At what point is it not quite murder, and at what point does it become murder? Where is the demarcation line? If it is murder in all cases, including early term, than why would murder in one case be legal and yet illegal in another?
Yes. Though let me be clear, I oppose the death penalty just as much as I oppose abortion, meaning I oppose it in all circumstances. I also believe very strongly in prison reform. Prison should not be retributive but correctional, the ill treatment of prisoners needs to end. Prison should keep people separated from society and perhaps help to make them better people.Should it be punished the same as murder?
Yes. Though let me be clear, I oppose the death penalty just as much as I oppose abortion, meaning I oppose it in all circumstances. I also believe very strongly in prison reform. Prison should not be retributive but correctional, the ill treatment of prisoners needs to end. Prison should keep people separated from society and perhaps help to make them better people.
So yeah, murder is murder and the law needs to be applied with equity. Yet that does not mean I in any way support our current criminal justice system.
Life in prison....a substantially more humane prison.So what should the Punishment be for first degree murder (both willful and premeditated)
ThisLife in prison....a substantially more humane prison.
So life in prison for women that have abortions.Life in prison....a substantially more humane prison.
This is the part that I do not agree with and why I feel that it should be treated differently maybe like voluntary or involunary manslaughter or a seperate offense with a lesser penalty or even a two tier system.So life in prison for women that have abortions.
Don't know of any politician that will ever support that.
Problem is it's both Willful & Premeditated, 100% match for First Degree Murder.This is the part that I do not agree with and why I feel that it should be treated differently maybe like voluntary or involunary manslaughter or a seperate offense with a lesser penalty or even a two tier system.
Voting for someone who has no chance and therein giving the other primary party candidates a vote.I do plan to vote and with all due respect for your decision I feel that if you do not vote (you being used generally here do not vote you again (general) have no right to complain.
My grandfather said sometimes you are not voting for but whether aganist.
One option you may have is to vote third party which while it is a safe bet the person would not win at least you would be voting.
Well, that was one thing with the two tier system one for ABORTIONS and the other for abortions via life choice. That is knowing you are with child and making decisions about your own body that could harm the child.Problem is it's both Willful & Premeditated, 100% match for First Degree Murder.
Or do we change the Definition of First Degree Murder now because of the ramification?
(Side note, is their any Biblical support for a "Life Sentence" in prison ? )
But then you're once again treating abortions as something different.Well, that was one thing with the two tier system one for ABORTIONS and the other for abortions via life choice. That is knowing you are with child and making decisions about your own body that could harm the child.
Well, in law there is the concept of first degree murder second degree murder and in some cases third degree murder then there is voluntary and involuntary manslaughter each with its own sentencing range.But then you're once again treating abortions as something different.
Either it is Murder or it's not Murder.
Yes but second degree for non Premeditated killing, (So abortion can't fall under this)Well, in law there is the concept of first degree murder second degree murder and in some cases third degree murder then there is voluntary and involuntary manslaughter each with its own sentencing range.
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