I can't believe this...

[benedictaoo]

http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=49328393&postcount=14

The Catholics in OBOB have flipped out, that is no secret, I guess the whole forums knows it but this is one of many straws that break it for me...

so America's fight to keep marriage between one man and one woman for reasons I know I do not have to explain here to you guys, is the Protestant's problem and not Catholics... we hve no reason to object to it... These liberal Catholics are just an embarrassment.

 

[Wade Smith]

Do you see anything wrong with a faithful, loving long-term gay couple being able to sign a contract that gives them all the legal rights of a civil marriage?

And is there a way to get these things other than a "gay civil marriage"ceremony?

You know, I think we are letting ourselves be drawn by the Protestants into a problem that is actually not ours. A civil marriage is not, and will never be, more than a bureaucratic piece of paper for us. The only marriage for us Catholics (and for the Orthodox too) is the sacramental one entered into in Church, before a priest. Why worry about what people do in front of a secular official? Especially if it gives them some rights which, basically, are only fair?

OP of that thread just doesn't get it.

Biblically, homosexuals and even "straight" whoremongers have no rights.

I already posted this many times, but the Bible several times tells of how the righteous kings, those who "did right in the sight of the Lord", killed and/or exiled all the "sodomites" out of the land, and they were RIGHT for doing it.


The whole "liberal" christian movement simply represents people who are either wilfully disobedient, or else Biblically illiterate.

 

[Chococat]

Well I often post on OBOB and I can assure you that most of the people I have seen there are conservative and oppose things like gay marriage, abortion etc. However there are also a few liberals there and a couple of them (naming no names here) seems to go out of their way to cause arguments by making liberal threads supporting such things. So unless most of the OBOB have left that forum it sounds like it could be one of the troublemakers.

 

[Nadiine]

Well I often post on OBOB and I can assure you that most of the people I have seen there are conservative and oppose things like gay marriage, abortion etc. However there are also a few liberals there and a couple of them (naming no names here) seems to go out of their way to cause arguments by making liberal threads supporting such things. So unless most of the OBOB have left that forum it sounds like it could be one of the troublemakers.

that problem is all thru CF.
Take any denomination and you can have liberals in it making all kinds of statements and teachings based on liberalism.

that's why I just post here - that was also going on in the NonDenom. forum.
This is why I work so hard to keep this forum a safe haven against liberalism. Even those liberals within the other denoms., as I see it, violate the denomination's definitions when they support immorality or deny scriptures which the formal churches do not.

It's hard to explain it, so I'll give an example. They can call themselves Catholics if they want to practice Catholicism & agree w/ dogma of the church.
However, to bring in support & promotion of abortion [rights] & homosexuality defies the Catholic church's beliefs - so does that actually make them Catholic or should it disqualify them from holding Catholic icons?

This is a CF definition issue I think. One possibility would be to split EACH denom. into liberal/conservative Catholic, liberal/conservative NonDenom. - Lutheran, etc. etc. etc.
then let the liberals have fun in their own denom. forum with liberals they agree with.

This has been the split in CF all along - it's long been a battle of liberal Unorthodoxy vs. conservative Orthodoxy.

 

[Nadiine]

OP of that thread just doesn't get it.

Biblically, homosexuals and even "straight" whoremongers have no rights.

I already posted this many times, but the Bible several times tells of how the righteous kings, those who "did right in the sight of the Lord", killed and/or exiled all the "sodomites" out of the land, and they were RIGHT for doing it.


The whole "liberal" christian movement simply represents people who are either wilfully disobedient, or else Biblically illiterate.

CF rules prevent me from saying more than this

 

[benedictaoo]

Well I often post on OBOB and I can assure you that most of the people I have seen there are conservative and oppose things like gay marriage, abortion etc. However there are also a few liberals there and a couple of them (naming no names here) seems to go out of their way to cause arguments by making liberal threads supporting such things. So unless most of the OBOB have left that forum it sounds like it could be one of the troublemakers.

Most of the conservatives have left and we only have a few left trying to combat this ridiculousness. It' really getting to me, it's really making me sick.

So may have fallen for humanism. That comforts of the flesh matter over the saving of ones soul.

 

[sealacamp]

This has been the split in CF all along - it's long been a battle of liberal Unorthodoxy vs. conservative Orthodoxy.

This is true and can easily be rectified. If it doesn't agree with Gods word then it is wrong, incorrect, inaccurate, or misleading. It is as simple as that. We have to align ourselves with Gods word not Gods word with ours.

As I said on another forum I can call myself a tree but would that make me a tree? Likewise not everyone that says they are a Christian are a Christian despite their claim. If their actions and life to not align with Gods word then there is serious doubt about the genuineness of that persons claim to be a Christian. Deviating from Gods doctrine is wrong and should always be considered a serious matter.

Sealacamp

 

[benedictaoo]

that problem is all thru CF.
Take any denomination and you can have liberals in it making all kinds of statements and teachings based on liberalism.

that's why I just post here - that was also going on in the NonDenom. forum.
This is why I work so hard to keep this forum a safe haven against liberalism. Even those liberals within the other denoms., as I see it, violate the denomination's definitions when they support immorality or deny scriptures which the formal churches do not.

It's hard to explain it, so I'll give an example. They can call themselves Catholics if they want to practice Catholicism & agree w/ dogma of the church.
However, to bring in support & promotion of abortion [rights] & homosexuality defies the Catholic church's beliefs - so does that actually make them Catholic or should it disqualify them from holding Catholic icons?

This is a CF definition issue I think. One possibility would be to split EACH denom. into liberal/conservative Catholic, liberal/conservative NonDenom. - Lutheran, etc. etc. etc.
then let the liberals have fun in their own denom. forum with liberals they agree with.

This has been the split in CF all along - it's long been a battle of liberal Unorthodoxy vs. conservative Orthodoxy.

well this is the 'fight'. The arugment. They need our support more then ever now and kicking them to the curb will drive them further away.

and then there is the notion that they are just "struggling" and we are to understand that and not get upset when they "question."

And then there is how we get called names like ultra traditionalist and zealots, holier than thou and then we get "Jesus ate and drank with the sinners" and "judge not, least you be judged" thrown in our face.

The mods are just trying to appease both sides and one in particular is just to darn neutral on it all. When they cross the line and go against teaching that is non negotiable, I feel they should be addressed and it should not be allowed to post it, because we can't have ppl who do not know better, think Catholics believe in homosexuality or abortion. but you know how it is.

 

[Nadiine]

Most of the conservatives have left and we only have a few left trying to combat this ridiculousness. It' really getting to me, it's really making me sick.

So may have fallen for humanism. That comforts of the flesh matter over the saving of ones soul.

yes, and that's why most of them left CF altogether as well.

The theology AND congregation areas (areas set aside as safe havens for those of like denomination) were infiltrated with liberalism to the point and degree that Christians had enough with having to argue the very BASICS of Christianity. Many complained that they as well be arguing with nonChristians in their own forum areas.
There were basically no absolutes of the faith anymore and a large number of people felt the site lost its identity and purpose and left.

ALL doctrines were up for grabs except what were in CF's Statement of Belief - so all they had to do was not argue those particular issues while the rest was all fair game.

That has caused the major unbalance in some areas and why many of them have been desolate.

 

[benedictaoo]

yes, and that's why most of them left CF altogether as well.

The theology AND congregation areas (areas set aside as safe havens for those of like denomination) were infiltrated with liberalism to the point and degree that Christians had enough with having to argue the very BASICS of Christianity. Many complained that they as well be arguing with nonChristians in their own forum areas.
There were basically no absolutes of the faith anymore and a large number of people felt the site lost its identity and purpose and left.

ALL doctrines were up for grabs except what were in CF's Statement of Belief - so all they had to do was not argue those particular issues while the rest was all fair game.

That has caused the major unbalance in some areas and why many of them have been desolate.

Tell me aboout it.

 

[Nadiine]

well this is the 'fight'. The arugment. They need our support more then ever now and kicking them to the curb will drive them further away.

K, who needs our support more than ever? Conserv. Catholics in that area? Or liberals claiming Catholicism?

and then there is the notion that they are just "struggling" and we are to understand that and not get upset when they "question."

Yep that's very a common response. It's one that keeps from any judgments being made which people rarely feel comfortable doing.

And then there is how we get called names like ultra traditionalist and zealots, holier than thou and then we get "Jesus ate and drank with the sinners" and "judge not, least you be judged" thrown in our face.

Yep - typical crap we've seen for YEARS now.

The mods are just trying to appease both sides and one in particular is just to darn neutral on it all. When they cross the line and go against teaching that is non negotiable, I feel they should be addressed and it should not be allowed to post it, because we can't have ppl who do not know better, think Catholics believe in homosexuality or abortion. but you know how it is.

The rules have mods in a pickle to a great degree.

And yes I agree, if there's ad hom insults & mocking then it should be dealt with evenly. If it isn't, then I'd be suspicious of bias.

& yes that is the HARM that a Christian website runs the risk of. They can be SO appeasing to please as many as possible - but then you start blurring and confusing the gospel & doctrine by inviting the masses who believe in unorthodoxy & reject what are essentials to the faith.

They even argue that the Bible has errors & is written by humans, so there goes the Biblical authority. Then it turns into a free for all.
What does that do for nonChristian guests - or brand new Christians?
It harms them and the cause of Christianity when we look like idiots who can't even agree on anything simple.

How does it look to people to see "Christians" (all under the same banner on 1 forum) literally fighting over the bible being true or not!!!!!!
:o:o

Absolutely, harm is done. Probly more harm than good and THAT sad truth has been lost & ignored by leadership in the past imho.
What I love is that you look and see how others percieve these things.
THAT is what matters and what SHOULD matter to all of us who claim God's name.

 

[GQ Chris]

Be Hot or Cold, don't be somewhere in between; at least when I was a Heathen I was a full on Heathen, some people just don't get it.

 

[rmw8855]

I'm not catholic so I can't post in there, but you might want to remind them that prop.8 is actually about more than gay marriage. If it passed gay marriage would be taught in schools, talking against homosexuality in churches could be considered hate speech and jeopardize the churches tax exempt status, etc. In Canada a pastor has been threatened with prison if he continues talking against homosexuality. Our religious free speech is potentially in danger.

 

[benedictaoo]

You can post there.

 

[benedictaoo]

K, who needs our support more than ever? Conserv. Catholics in that area? Or liberals claiming Catholicism?

Liberals and conservatives who "struggle" with the teachings.

Yep that's very a common response. It's one that keeps from any judgments being made which people rarely feel comfortable doing.


Yep - typical crap we've seen for YEARS now.


The rules have mods in a pickle to a great degree.

And yes I agree, if there's ad hom insults & mocking then it should be dealt with evenly. If it isn't, then I'd be suspicious of bias.

& yes that is the HARM that a Christian website runs the risk of. They can be SO appeasing to please as many as possible - but then you start blurring and confusing the gospel & doctrine by inviting the masses who believe in unorthodoxy & reject what are essentials to the faith.

They even argue that the Bible has errors & is written by humans, so there goes the Biblical authority. Then it turns into a free for all.
What does that do for nonChristian guests - or brand new Christians?
It harms them and the cause of Christianity when we look like idiots who can't even agree on anything simple.

How does it look to people to see "Christians" (all under the same banner on 1 forum) literally fighting over the bible being true or not!!!!!!
:o:o

Absolutely, harm is done. Probly more harm than good and THAT sad truth has been lost & ignored by leadership in the past imho.
What I love is that you look and see how others percieve these things.
THAT is what matters and what SHOULD matter to all of us who claim God's name.

Amen

 

[ReformedChapin]

Hey I can feel ya,

I side with conservative anything before I would side liberal anything that includes protestant or RCC.

Both libbies drive me bonkers.

 

[JustAsIam77]

I don't understand Christians that deny what the scriptures teach. Never have and never will. Stake your claim to His word or the worlds view of things. One of them is wrong.

 

[Chococat]

Most of the conservatives have left and we only have a few left trying to combat this ridiculousness. It' really getting to me, it's really making me sick.

So may have fallen for humanism. That comforts of the flesh matter over the saving of ones soul.

And yet there is a special forum for liberal "Catholics" on CF. Yet these people insist on stirring things up on the main RCC one. I think the saddest thing I have seen on this board was in the abortion recovery section where a lady with a Catholic icon posted a message saying she was booked in for an abortion a couple of days hence because she and her husband "could not afford" any more children.Though to be fair it sounded like she was being pushed into it by her husband. All the same it was heartbreaking to think of an innocent child about to be killed. Well we don't know if she went through with the abortion as she never posted after that and of course it could have just been someone with a warped SOH trying to stir things up.

 

[Nadiine]

And yet there is a special forum for liberal "Catholics" on CF. Yet these people insist on stirring things up on the main RCC one. I think the saddest thing I have seen on this board was in the abortion recovery section where a lady with a Catholic icon posted a message saying she was booked in for an abortion a couple of days hence because she and her husband "could not afford" any more children.Though to be fair it sounded like she was being pushed into it by her husband. All the same it was heartbreaking to think of an innocent child about to be killed. Well we don't know if she went through with the abortion as she never posted after that and of course it could have just been someone with a warped SOH trying to stir things up.

Ohhhhhh, there is a liberal Catholic forum here?

Then they should be made to stay in their forum and give you guys your safe haven.
We need safe haven's in these forums to relax & kick off our shoes w/ those of like mind without the stress & harrassment of having to battle.

It gets tiring and I appreciate and NEED the break from the hostile areas here. That's why I make such a stink about liberals posting here.
If we wanted liberal input on issues, we'd head to their forums to read it.

 

[benedictaoo]

Ohhhhhh, there is a liberal Catholic forum here?

Then they should be made to stay in their forum and give you guys your safe haven.
We need safe haven's in these forums to relax & kick off our shoes w/ those of like mind without the stress & harrassment of having to battle.

It gets tiring and I appreciate and NEED the break from the hostile areas here. That's why I make such a stink about liberals posting here.
If we wanted liberal input on issues, we'd head to their forums to read it.

you would think it would be as easy as that... but it's not.

Now apparently in that thread it;s argued by a Catholic that we aren't a Christian nation under God.. the pledge of alligence was written by a socialist and the mayflower compact is irrelevant because its' pre dates the constitution.