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Katydid

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OK now, please realize that I am venting, and tomorrow I probably won't feel the same, but I will still be upset. With that disclaimer.


Why would someone get a pet that they can't afford to take care of? Why get a dog if you can't afford to go to the vet? Hey, why get a dog if you aren't going to ensure it's protection by putting toxic chemicals where the dog can't get them? OK now I know it can be an accident, but two dogs in two years! I mean, shouldn't you learn after the first?

OK now for the nice side of me.

I understand that accidents happen, I also understand that sometimes money runs short. I just have a major problem with this.

OK I vented, now maybe I will start to feel better.
 

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Why would someone get a pet that they can't afford to take care of? Why get a dog if you can't afford to go to the vet?

I'm with you there! I can't stand it when I see a bird who's older than I am who's never seen a vet, when birds should be heading to their doc's office no less than twice a year.

Sometimes it seems like pets are adopted merely for some sort of stature.

If you can't afford the pet and can't take those extra steps to keep one safe, dont get one.

If I may also add a bit of venting: I hate when people breed. There's no point to it. All so someone can have a baby for a few weeks with only 75% chance of keeping that animal once it's an adult? There are so many loving adult animals who need love in return that the desire some have for a short time of babydom is a dreadful excuse to breed.:mad:

Sorry. :blush:

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I have to agree on both points - breeding, and getting a pet you can't care for. Every puppy purchased from a breeder means one more animal not being adopted from a shelter. It makes me so sad. And if you can't afford to give your pet proper medical care, not from a crisis situation that arises unexpectedly, but because you just don't have the money for those kinds of things - then don't get a pet.

I'll add one more personal pet peeve of mine, and that's getting an animal you aren't going to allow to be indoors with you (obviously not talking about horses or livestock here, heh). But dogs, cats, rabbits, etc., they should not be left outside in my opinion. Dogs need affection and human interaction, they need to be part of a pack, and being left outside is dangerous for them - especially puppies. Cats are even worse because they roam, they get into fights, it's just so unsafe. I don't get the point of owning an animal that you just leave outside all the time. Where's the enjoyment in that?
 
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Well, I have to say that I appreciate breeders over here. Just because German shelters won't allow Americans to adopt pets from them, so we had to pay for our dog. We didn't enjoy doing it, but we liked the breeder. She didn't care if anyone bought the pups, she was willing to keep them all if she didn't find the right families.

I also agree that pets need to be inside with us, otherwise, why have them? You should see our puppy with our cat. He keeps trying to cuddle up to her like she's his mama, and she doesn't like that at all.
 
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And there is a HUGE difference between the majority of shelter animals and pets purchased from a breeder!

Don't buy pets from PET STORES, they feed the puppy mills that are TRULY responsible for the pet overpopulation in the US.

I feel very strongly about this issue and would love to explain in more detail why I feel the way I do. Just ask? I promise, I'm nice, just get a little excited when people blame responsible breeders for the animals fogotten in shelters.
 
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just get a little excited when people blame responsible breeders for the animals fogotten in shelters.

Puppy mills and backyard breeders are more likely to have ill animals, sure, but where a person gets a dog doesn't at all play a part in where dogs end up. Buying a puppy is buying a puppy. There wouldn't be any less animals (not counting those that have been taken into custody directly from the mass breeders) in shelters if every single one came from a "responsible" breeder. I don't care *who* does the breeding, no one, currently, *needs* to breed (and I'll just direct my comments to those in the U.S.:p).

I honestly hate using the terms 'responsible' and 'breeder' in the same sentence. Some might take better care of their pets, but it's irresponsible, plain and simple, to look into the face of a homeless pet and go forward with creating another one just like it.

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awashinlove said:
Puppy mills and backyard breeders are more likely to have ill animals, sure,

There's more to it than illness. There is conformation, instinct, working ability, temperment, bloodlines, genetic disorders, and the list goes on and on and on!

awashinlove said:
but where a person gets a dog doesn't at all play a part in where dogs end up.

Oh yes it does. A Responsible breeder takes care of every dog he/she produces. If someone that has purchased a puppy from me needs to surrender the animal, the contract says he MUST contact me first so that I can take the animal back. I would NEVER ever want one of my animals in a shelter, and I NEVER have.

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Buying a puppy is buying a puppy.

No its not. Buying a puppy should be a process that takes at least 6 months, not a weekend drive and a rash decision. You should know exactly what you want and search out the breeder that can supply you with your new family member who will be with you for about 12 years, on average.

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There wouldn't be any less animals (not counting those that have been taken into custody directly from the mass breeders) in shelters if every single one came from a "responsible" breeder.

There would be no puppies in shelters if they all came from responsible breeders. I volunteer with my local shelter and I see first hand exactly who comes in the door. They are from irresponsible owners who did not have enough forethought or compassion to responsibly purchase a puppy for the long haul. They also come from breeders who don't care what happens to their puppies or don't follow through, or who in other words, are not responsible.

Yes, the occasional purebred dog comes through the doors. Not every purebred dog breeder is responsible! Some come in with papers, but they are not the high quality puppies that "responsible" breeders are breeding for. They are churned out in a factory like fashion.

What you may not understand is that every purebred registered dog has a name attached to it, that includes a kennel name which immediately identifies who bred that dog. A kennel/breeders reputation is on the line everytime a dog leaves my home with that name attached to him/her. If my dog ends up in a shelter or is misused or abused in some way, that is a negative reflection on me and I would never let that happen. My dogs are my life and I am not the only breeder that feels this way. The conscientious responsible breeders out there, not the ones you find in the Sunday paper or along the side of the road have their dogs best interest in mind and if they thought for one minunte they were hurting their dogs they would not breed!

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I don't care *who* does the breeding, no one, currently, *needs* to breed (and I'll just direct my comments to those in the U.S.:p).

Yes they do, to keep the health of the breed and of domesticated dogs going up, instead of down, which is what is churned out by puppy mills, backyard breeders and irresponsible breeders. If there was a ban on dog breeding by the AKC (American Kennel Club, the largest registry of purebred dogs) that would mean only the BYB would continue on, killing what we know and love as domesticated dogs. Responsible breeders have to wrok around the clock to insure that each and every breed that we love stays the breed that we love, protected from people who only care about money!

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I honestly hate using the terms 'responsible' and 'breeder' in the same sentence.

Then you misunderstand what it means to be a responsible breeder.

awashinlove said:
Some might take better care of their pets,

It's not about husbandry. It's about genetic tests, bloodlines, planned breedings, X-Rays, Vet bills and diet/nutrition.

but it's irresponsible, plain and simple, to look into the face of a homeless pet and go forward with creating another one just like it.

Show me one instance of a purebred Weimaraner with my dog's impeccable bloodlines, who is free from genetic disease and nutritional deficiencies and has a stable temperament and who is good in the field that is currently or has ever been in a shelter looking for a forever home. The point with purebred dogs is you can't just go to the shelter and get a Rhodesian Ridgeback, or Old English Sheepdog, or a Shiba Inu. The dogs at the shelter, 95% of the time are mixed breed lab, pit, rottie mixes that are great dogs, but not what I am looking for or want in my home.

I have adopted plenty of cats and dogs from the shelter. I do searches every day on petfinder to make sure that my beloved breed is NOT in the shelter. Dogs that even look like they might have Weim in them are removed from the shelter and put in foster homes. I am a foster home for my local shelter and I do work with the state Weim Rescue. I do my best to adopt out animals where I can to people who I think would benefit from the love of a dog.

Purebred dog Breeders are not bad people who are contributing to the pet overpopulation epidemic that has hit this country. People need to take responsibility for the pets that they purchase and/or breed. Only then will we see a turn around in this country. And, this is one of the few countries where we insist on penning up every animal we find. In Athens, for the Olympics, they had to temporarily house thousands of strays that wander the streets. They immediately returned them to the streets after all the Olympics people left town. Shelters are a great thing, but we keep better track of our dogs than other people, so it is not just a US problem. If anything, we have the best grip on the situation.
 
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my personal opinion is that anyone who isn't a registered breeder should, by law, have to have their pets de-sexed. I mean, why CAN"T this be done? It woudl solve SO many problems

I'm very much of the opinion that cats should be housed indoors with access to an enclosed outdoor space - we fenced in a large area of our yard so that our two cats can come in and out as they please - it saves them from harm (cat fights, or worse, dog fights, cars, diseases etc) but just as importantly, it protects our wildlife too.

Having said that however, I can understand how people with low finances can crave the love of a pet - I really really struggle to pay vet bills - but I couldn't live without my cat. Don't get me wrong, he's taken well care of - but he doesn't go to the vet unless he NEEDS to - which so far has only been when he needed de-sexing - of course, taking into account my earlier point about keeping them confined, I dont' expect he'll have to go the vet very often at all!
 
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Talie said:
my personal opinion is that anyone who isn't a registered breeder should, by law, have to have their pets de-sexed. I mean, why CAN"T this be done? It woudl solve SO many problems

I agree. I think all pets should be spayed and neutered unless they have permission from the parent registry or organization to be used for breeding. I think it would stop lots of problems. It would be a system more similar to what Germany has in place for breeding of purebred dogs.
 
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I love my dog but I think I am probably about middle of the road on the whole pet care and vet issue. My dog is healthy and has always been so. She has seen the vet a few times (we have had her since we adopted her from a shelter as a uppy one year ago) but we don't even know the vet by her first name.

We don't really struggle financially but we don't waste money. I know people who go out and spend hundreds and sometimes even more than a thousand dollars on their dogs and I just cannot justofy that in my current financial situation.

However, our dog does stay inside with us and gets to go out every day and play and romp around. I totally agree that most animals (especially dogs) are pack animals and should be very involved with their owners. I hate seeing dogs left outside all day every day with no real human interaction....
 
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I love my dog but I think I am probably about middle of the road on the whole pet care and vet issue. My dog is healthy and has always been so. She has seen the vet a few times (we have had her since we adopted her from a shelter as a uppy one year ago) but we don't even know the vet by her first name.


Most dogs don't need to see a vet more than once a year for a rabies update and a physical. The reason this incident bugged me was because she started by saying that her dog accidentally got into the anti-freeze, and that this had happened a year earlier with her other dog. Then, she said that she hated it but she didn't have the money to take the dog to be put to sleep. So she ended up watching the dog slowly die for about 3 days. This is what put me over the edge. First, that she didn't learn from the first instance to put anti-freeze out of the way of animals as they are drawn to the smell and taste. And second that she couldn't even afford to put the dog down. I mean, I know that I had a kitten that broke it's neck and when I took it to the vet, they felt so badly about it that they only charged me for the actual cost, not the exam. Even if they would have charged for the exam, it was definately worth every penny to see that poor life stop suffering. I just couldn't handle it. So many people were supportive of this and comforting and I avoided it because I couldn't be supportive.
 
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Katydid, that made my heart hurt :(

And I'm really sorry to hear what happened to your kitten too. I'm glad you have a vet as caring as yours obviously is. When I had to put my dog down a little over a year ago, my vet cried right along with us and then sent us a sympathy note in the mail telling us we had made the right decision at the right time. Somehow, knowing he cared like that, made it a little easier.
 
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Well, our vet was actually usually kinda harsh with us. We have moved since then. Anyway, she charged way too much, but was close and had 24 hour emergency assistance which came in handy with a WAY too curious pit bull. This kitten though, well he almost changed my life. He was playing with our pit with all the other kittens. Our pit bull was very maternal (I think he had an identity crisis or something), but the cat jumped from on top of the dryer onto Samson (the pit) and Samson jumped, and the cat bounced off the dog and then off the dryer onto the concrete garage floor, (it was raining that day and they usually played outside). Samson sat over the poor kitten crying and licking him and whining. When I picked him up he couldn't move his legs and couldn't hold his head up. I took him to the vet, and immediately told the receptionist that I couldn't wait, I needed to have this kitten "put down this instant" I think were my words. She tried to tell me to wait and I screamed that "if you don't let me take him back, then I am going to break YOUR neck and make you sit in the ER for 5 hours". Well, I wasn't very nice about it, but the vet came out and gave me a nasty look until she saw the kitten in my arms. She took us back and put a catheter into the cat and gave me the stuff to put into the kitten. She told me that if I was so determined to get this done "this instant" then she would grant my wish. She then told me afterwards, while I was crying (which I didn't do until he was gone) that if I wanted to go to veterinary school, that she would write a recommendation. I got pregnant shortly before that incident and so I couldn't quite go at that time, but oh was it tempting.
 
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Katydid said:
OK now, please realize that I am venting, and tomorrow I probably won't feel the same, but I will still be upset. With that disclaimer.


Why would someone get a pet that they can't afford to take care of? Why get a dog if you can't afford to go to the vet? Hey, why get a dog if you aren't going to ensure it's protection by putting toxic chemicals where the dog can't get them? OK now I know it can be an accident, but two dogs in two years! I mean, shouldn't you learn after the first?

OK now for the nice side of me.

I understand that accidents happen, I also understand that sometimes money runs short. I just have a major problem with this.

OK I vented, now maybe I will start to feel better.
I agree 100% with you on this issue!!!
 
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