i am saved, or, i hope to be saved....

[mhillson]

howdy folks, sorry to intrude...but i do have a question. i'm rather unsure of the cross-posting rules, and don't want to stumble into a debate, but i could certainly use some clarification....

grew up in mass, obviously not a lot of protestants. my first "real" exposure was when i moved down to dc / no. virginia. often times, my "christian" (as opposed to "catholic") friends would ask upon the initial meeting: "have you been saved?" which always seemed to be a really silly and perpelxing question to me because the answer seemed obvious to me. maybe i didnt' understand the osas idea, but it often appeared to me as if the assumption was that yes, i've accepted christ as my savior, therefore i'm guaranteed enternity because he died for my sins. ok, fair enough. i dunno, i guess it just seemed a little presumptious to assume that you'd know the outcome of your judgment simply because of your faith.

so, that being said, per the title, help me clairify:

it seems that you can say that you are saved because it's objective fact that christ died for us.

however, there are often passages from the bible that would seem to suggest that "i hope to be saved" is a more appropriate way to think of things.

for example:

1 cor 4:3-5

"i do not even judge myself. i am not aware of anything against myself, but i am not thereby acquitted. it is the lord who judges me. therefore, i do not pronounce judgment for the time, before the lord comes, who will bring to light the things hidden in darkness and disclose the purposes of the heart. then every man will receive his commendation from god"

and

1 cor 9: 24-27

do you not know that the runners in the stadium all run in the race, but only one wini the prize? run so as to win.
every athlete exercises discipline in every way. they do it to win a perishable crown, but we an imperishable one.
thus I do not run aimlessly; i do not fight as if i were shadowboxing.
no, i drive my body and train it, for fear that, after having preached to others, i myself should be disqualified.

finally:

phil 3:11-13

i hope that i may arrive at the resurrection from the dead. it is not that i have reached it yet, or have already finished my course, but am racing to grasp the prize if possible, since i have been grasped by jesus christ.

i dunno, just interested in your thoughts. if this is the wrong place to post, apologies.

peace.

 

[Isaiah 53]

howdy folks, sorry to intrude...but i do have a question. i'm rather unsure of the cross-posting rules, and don't want to stumble into a debate, but i could certainly use some clarification....

grew up in mass, obviously not a lot of protestants. my first "real" exposure was when i moved down to dc / no. virginia. often times, my "christian" (as opposed to "catholic") friends would ask upon the initial meeting: "have you been saved?" which always seemed to be a really silly and perpelxing question to me because the answer seemed obvious to me. maybe i didnt' understand the osas idea, but it often appeared to me as if the assumption was that yes, i've accepted christ as my savior, therefore i'm guaranteed enternity because he died for my sins. ok, fair enough. i dunno, i guess it just seemed a little presumptious to assume that you'd know the outcome of your judgment simply because of your faith.

so, that being said, per the title, help me clairify:

it seems that you can say that you are saved because it's objective fact that christ died for us.

however, there are often passages from the bible that would seem to suggest that "i hope to be saved" is a more appropriate way to think of things.

for example:

1 cor 4:3-5

"i do not even judge myself. i am not aware of anything against myself, but i am not thereby acquitted. it is the lord who judges me. therefore, i do not pronounce judgment for the time, before the lord comes, who will bring to light the things hidden in darkness and disclose the purposes of the heart. then every man will receive his commendation from god"

and

1 cor 9: 24-27

do you not know that the runners in the stadium all run in the race, but only one wini the prize? run so as to win.
every athlete exercises discipline in every way. they do it to win a perishable crown, but we an imperishable one.
thus I do not run aimlessly; i do not fight as if i were shadowboxing.
no, i drive my body and train it, for fear that, after having preached to others, i myself should be disqualified.

finally:

phil 3:11-13

i hope that i may arrive at the resurrection from the dead. it is not that i have reached it yet, or have already finished my course, but am racing to grasp the prize if possible, since i have been grasped by jesus christ.

i dunno, just interested in your thoughts. if this is the wrong place to post, apologies.

peace.

Real quickly let me tell you my opinion. It has been my experience that our Catholic brothers and sisters do not often know the meaning of being born again. (I am not assuming this about you; just my experience). They often feel that because they were brought up in the Catholic Church, were baptized as a baby and attend mass that they are saved.

Actions do not save us, it is the attitude of our heart. I cannot tell you if you are saved or not; only God knows. But, I can tell you that if you place your faith in Christ as Lord and Savior your salvation is guaranteed, you will be with Him in Heaven, but you must personally accept Him not rely on your past or your denomination.

That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. (Romans 10:9)

PEACE IN CHRIST!!

 

[sobresaliente]

That does happen sometimes Isaiah 53, it's sad really. I am not too great at defending 'Eternal Security', but a lot of the scriptures mhilson did post talk about winning the prize...that prize being eternal life. When we are on earth we don't have eternal life yet, but we are still saved through the blood of Christ.

Sobresaliente

 

[BBAS 64]

howdy folks, sorry to intrude...but i do have a question. i'm rather unsure of the cross-posting rules, and don't want to stumble into a debate, but i could certainly use some clarification....

grew up in mass, obviously not a lot of protestants. my first "real" exposure was when i moved down to dc / no. virginia. often times, my "christian" (as opposed to "catholic") friends would ask upon the initial meeting: "have you been saved?" which always seemed to be a really silly and perpelxing question to me because the answer seemed obvious to me. maybe i didnt' understand the osas idea, but it often appeared to me as if the assumption was that yes, i've accepted christ as my savior, therefore i'm guaranteed enternity because he died for my sins. ok, fair enough. i dunno, i guess it just seemed a little presumptious to assume that you'd know the outcome of your judgment simply because of your faith.

so, that being said, per the title, help me clairify:

it seems that you can say that you are saved because it's objective fact that christ died for us.

however, there are often passages from the bible that would seem to suggest that "i hope to be saved" is a more appropriate way to think of things.

Good Day, Mhillson

Because of time constraints let me make some quick remarks and then come back later' Supper is comming soon"

1Jo 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Read the things that John has written in 1 Jn.
for example:

1 cor 4:3-5

"i do not even judge myself. i am not aware of anything against myself, but i am not thereby acquitted. it is the lord who judges me. therefore, i do not pronounce judgment for the time, before the lord comes, who will bring to light the things hidden in darkness and disclose the purposes of the heart. then every man will receive his commendation from god"

There is not a thing in this verse that brings Paul's salvation into question. He will be Jugded on the state of his Heart in his work for Christ.

and

1 cor 9: 24-27

do you not know that the runners in the stadium all run in the race, but only one wini the prize? run so as to win.
every athlete exercises discipline in every way. they do it to win a perishable crown, but we an imperishable one.
thus I do not run aimlessly; i do not fight as if i were shadowboxing.
no, i drive my body and train it, for fear that, after having preached to others, i myself should be disqualified.

The race that Paul uses here is not his race to be saved but his race to finsh well. The imperishable crown is not Salvation, all christians run the race some fish well some do not, but race never the less.

finally:

phil 3:11-13

i hope that i may arrive at the resurrection from the dead. it is not that i have reached it yet, or have already finished my course, but am racing to grasp the prize if possible, since i have been grasped by jesus christ.

i dunno, just interested in your thoughts. if this is the wrong place to post, apologies.

peace.

Read the whole chapter of phil 3.

Jesus is the Author and the finsher of our faith. He gives it to us and finshes it for us.

To be absent from the body is to be present with Christ.

Enternal life is eternal. Before the foundations of the world "we" in Him.

Peace to u,

BBAS

 

[Protestant Minister]

It sure would be to everyone's benefit if God were as simple-minded as some evangelists pretend He is.Unfortunately He's not stupid.Anyone can repeat a sinners prayer of 25 words or less.Some even do it while drunk and then can't remember what they said the next morning.There is even a cult that trains its female members to hang out in bars trying to pick up men for sex.Then as quickly as possible after intercourse,the women try to get their pick-up to repeat the sinners prayer so he'll be saved.At least until the next night.The former associate evangelist of the Billy Graham ministry used to teach this instant conversion concept.He now is in Canada making his living giving speeches about his conversion to atheism and the simple-minded absurdity of Christianity,or at least the Christianity he used to preach.
Fortunately for the serenity of heaven,there's a whole lot more to being a Christian than muttering 25 words or less.The whole lot more is the New Testament.If only a simple-minded prayer guaranteed salvation,we can now all ditch our bibles.The scriptures make it clear that we need to believe in Jesus.And that means,follow His teachings.Failure to follow Jesus' teachings proves a lack of belief in His divinity.So we might as well start with John 3:3-9 where Jesus makes it very clear that salvation will not be given to anyone who does not go through the water baptism ceremony and also receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit from God.And then there's the teaching that God will not forgive us unless we forgive others.And then there's the teaching that he who loves the world is an enemy of God.Oh no!Does the bible say that?How can I be saved if I'm an enemy of God?I better get off the computer right now..I need to get on the phone and cancel my subscription to Time magazine.I sure hope I don't miss all the political garbage too much.

 

[Serapha]

howdy folks, sorry to intrude...but i do have a question. i'm rather unsure of the cross-posting rules, and don't want to stumble into a debate, but i could certainly use some clarification....

grew up in mass, obviously not a lot of protestants. my first "real" exposure was when i moved down to dc / no. virginia. often times, my "christian" (as opposed to "catholic") friends would ask upon the initial meeting: "have you been saved?" which always seemed to be a really silly and perpelxing question to me because the answer seemed obvious to me. maybe i didnt' understand the osas idea, but it often appeared to me as if the assumption was that yes, i've accepted christ as my savior, therefore i'm guaranteed enternity because he died for my sins. ok, fair enough. i dunno, i guess it just seemed a little presumptious to assume that you'd know the outcome of your judgment simply because of your faith.

so, that being said, per the title, help me clairify:

it seems that you can say that you are saved because it's objective fact that christ died for us.

however, there are often passages from the bible that would seem to suggest that "i hope to be saved" is a more appropriate way to think of things.

for example:

1 cor 4:3-5

"i do not even judge myself. i am not aware of anything against myself, but i am not thereby acquitted. it is the lord who judges me. therefore, i do not pronounce judgment for the time, before the lord comes, who will bring to light the things hidden in darkness and disclose the purposes of the heart. then every man will receive his commendation from god"

and

1 cor 9: 24-27

do you not know that the runners in the stadium all run in the race, but only one wini the prize? run so as to win.
every athlete exercises discipline in every way. they do it to win a perishable crown, but we an imperishable one.
thus I do not run aimlessly; i do not fight as if i were shadowboxing.
no, i drive my body and train it, for fear that, after having preached to others, i myself should be disqualified.

finally:

phil 3:11-13

i hope that i may arrive at the resurrection from the dead. it is not that i have reached it yet, or have already finished my course, but am racing to grasp the prize if possible, since i have been grasped by jesus christ.

i dunno, just interested in your thoughts. if this is the wrong place to post, apologies.

peace.

Hi there!



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~serapha~

 

[Andrew]

mhillson,

Hi, the verses you have quoted have to do with rewards, not salvation. Salvation is a gift received by grace thru faith. There's nothing you can 'do' to get/earn it accept to humble yourself and just believe and receive.

However, what we do with our salvation (now that we have it), eg how you use the gifts God has given you, how you run the race, will determine the quality/quantity of rewards (not salvation) that you will receive when you meet God face to face. The Bible speaks of these rewards as crowns.

 

[Andrew]

If only a simple-minded prayer guaranteed salvation,we can now all ditch our bibles.

The Bible does say that those who call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Short and simple. It is that easy to be saved. Of cse, we are not stupid. We assume that the person calling on Jesus means it from his heart and we try our best to tell him to mean it from his heart. After that, it's between him and God. God sees the heart, we just do our part.

And that means,follow His teachings.Failure to follow Jesus' teachings proves a lack of belief in His divinity.

Aren't u turning salvation into a work? So in your eyes, how much of Jesus teachings are we suppose to follow before we qualify to be saved, or b4 you would consider someone as saved as you are? Are you setting the benchmark for others to follow?

who does not go through the water baptism ceremony and also receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit from God.

Here you are adding 2 works. So if a Christian who confesses Jesus as Lord and loves God, but does not get water baptised and spirit baptised with speaking in tongues, then he is still going to hell?

And then there's the teaching that God will not forgive us unless we forgive others.

That is pre-cross. Today, we HAVE forgiveness, and that's why we ought to forgive others, not becos we are fearful that God will not forgive.

 

[BBAS 64]

Hi there!



Read my signature.


~serapha~

Amen! It is Christ whom is the author and the finisher of our FAITH.

BBAS