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ralliann · Aug 30, 2024

Momo97 said:
If I knowingly want to be justified by the Jewish law, then I turn away from grace through faith in Jesus and want to be justified by deeds of the law. I would then turn away from Jesus and come under the curse:

4 So you also, my brothers, were put to death under the law through the body of Christ, that you might become another's own, even the one who was raised from the dead, that we might bear fruit to God. 5 For when we were in the flesh, the passions of sin, which are by the law, worked in our members to bring forth fruit of death. 6 But now we have been freed from the law, having died to that in which we were held, so that we serve in the new nature of the Spirit, and not in the old nature of the letter. Romans 7:4-6

The letter of the old covenant law kills. Jesus' word is spirit and life:

Maybe consider not all "law" is the Sinai covenant? Rather The law tells of the covenants.

The Sinai/Horeb covenant was not made with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob....
Deut 5:1And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them. {keep … : Heb. keep to do them }
2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.

Momo97 said:
It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no use at all. The words that I speak to you are spirit and are life. John 6:63

It doesn't mean the law is bad. The law is good, holy and righteous, but it was given to us so that we might recognize our sinfulness, that we cannot be righteous on our own. We need God's grace, which is in Christ Jesus:

19 But we know that whatever the law speaks, it speaks to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may be guilty before God, 20 because by the works of the law no flesh is justified before him ] can be; for through the law comes the knowledge of sin. Romans 3:19-20 10

Israel the nation was called out to bring judgement on the nations...
Ro 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Momo97 said:
For as many as are of the works of the law,[3] they are under the curse; For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do all that is written in the book of the law.”[4] 11 But it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law; for “the righteous shall live by faith.”[5] 12 But the law is not of faith, but: "The man who doeth these things shall live by them."[6] 13 Christ ransomed us from the curse of the law, becoming a curse for our sakes (for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree,"[7]) 14 so that the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that through faith we might receive the Spirit that was promised. Galatians 3:10-14 8 For it is by grace that you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God; 9 Not of works, lest anyone should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9

As Deuteronomy says Sinai was not made with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. But with the nation of Israel.
Rom 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

The law of faith from the beginning?
Heb 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

Gen 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Momo97 · Aug 30, 2024

Maria Billingsley said:
Love is holy, hate is evil.

4 Love is long-suffering and kind; love does not envy; love does not boast; love does not puff itself up;

5 She is not immoral, she does not seek her own, she is not angered, she does not count evil;

6 She does not delight in unrighteousness, but she delights in the truth;

7 She bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
1 Cor 13:4-7

Do not love the world or what is in the world! If anyone loves the world, the Father's love is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but of the world.
1 John 2:15-16

4 Adulterers and adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity against God? So whoever wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God! 5 Or do you think that the Scripture speaks in vain? The spirit that dwells in us has a jealous desire; 6 but the grace that he gives is all the richer. Therefore he says, “God resists the proud; but to the humble he gives grace."[2]
James 4:4-6

13 No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will adhere to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon!
Luke 16:13

The fear of the LORD means hating evil; I hate pride and arrogance, the way of evil and a perverted mouth.
Proverbs 8:13

9 Let love be unfeigned! Hate evil, hold fast to good!
Romans 12:9

Love delights in the truth. Love does not delight in injustice.

9
And he also spoke this parable to some who trusted in themselves to be righteous and despised others:
10
Two people went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.
11
The Pharisee stood and prayed to himself thus: O God, I thank you that I am not like other people, robbers, unjust, adulterers, or even like that tax collector there.
12
I fast twice a week and tithe everything I take in!
13
And the tax collector stood at a distance, not even daring to lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast and said, O God, be merciful to me, a sinner!
14
I say to you, this one went down to his house justified, unlike that one. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled; but whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
Luke 18:1-14

A brother once told me that in the course of your sanctification, you may begin to question whether you are a believer at all, because you realize more and more how bad you actually are.

In principle, we never know whether we are evaluating sin correctly. We know that love delights in truth and not in injustice. We know that the devil is the father of lies. We know that we changed dominions when we became believers and were sealed with the Holy Spirit. We know that the whole world is in evil.

What is this injustice and this lie in which love does not delight? What is evil in which love does not delight?

Love is not just love. We must recognize what love truly means.

Momo97 · Aug 30, 2024

Momo97 said:
4 Love is long-suffering and kind; love does not envy; love does not boast; love does not puff itself up;

5 She is not immoral, she does not seek her own, she is not angered, she does not count evil;

6 She does not delight in unrighteousness, but she delights in the truth;

7 She bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
1 Cor 13:4-7

Do not love the world or what is in the world! If anyone loves the world, the Father's love is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but of the world.
1 John 2:15-16

4 Adulterers and adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity against God? So whoever wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God! 5 Or do you think that the Scripture speaks in vain? The spirit that dwells in us has a jealous desire; 6 but the grace that he gives is all the richer. Therefore he says, “God resists the proud; but to the humble he gives grace."[2]
James 4:4-6

13 No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will adhere to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon!
Luke 16:13

The fear of the LORD means hating evil; I hate pride and arrogance, the way of evil and a perverted mouth.
Proverbs 8:13

9 Let love be unfeigned! Hate evil, hold fast to good!
Romans 12:9

Love delights in the truth. Love does not delight in injustice.

9
And he also spoke this parable to some who trusted in themselves to be righteous and despised others:
10
Two people went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.
11
The Pharisee stood and prayed to himself thus: O God, I thank you that I am not like other people, robbers, unjust, adulterers, or even like that tax collector there.
12
I fast twice a week and tithe everything I take in!
13
And the tax collector stood at a distance, not even daring to lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast and said, O God, be merciful to me, a sinner!
14
I say to you, this one went down to his house justified, unlike that one. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled; but whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
Luke 18:1-14

A brother once told me that in the course of your sanctification, you may begin to question whether you are a believer at all, because you realize more and more how bad you actually are.

In principle, we never know whether we are evaluating sin correctly. We know that love delights in truth and not in injustice. We know that the devil is the father of lies. We know that we changed dominions when we became believers and were sealed with the Holy Spirit. We know that the whole world is in evil.

What is this injustice and this lie in which love does not delight? What is evil in which love does not delight?

Love is not just love. We must recognize what love truly means.

Momo97 · Aug 30, 2024

Momo97 said:
4 Love is long-suffering and kind; love does not envy; love does not boast; love does not puff itself up;

5 She is not immoral, she does not seek her own, she is not angered, she does not count evil;

6 She does not delight in unrighteousness, but she delights in the truth;

7 She bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
1 Cor 13:4-7

Do not love the world or what is in the world! If anyone loves the world, the Father's love is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but of the world.
1 John 2:15-16

4 Adulterers and adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity against God? So whoever wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God! 5 Or do you think that the Scripture speaks in vain? The spirit that dwells in us has a jealous desire; 6 but the grace that he gives is all the richer. Therefore he says, “God resists the proud; but to the humble he gives grace."[2]
James 4:4-6

13 No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will adhere to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon!
Luke 16:13

The fear of the LORD means hating evil; I hate pride and arrogance, the way of evil and a perverted mouth.
Proverbs 8:13

9 Let love be unfeigned! Hate evil, hold fast to good!
Romans 12:9

Love delights in the truth. Love does not delight in injustice.

9
And he also spoke this parable to some who trusted in themselves to be righteous and despised others:
10
Two people went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.
11
The Pharisee stood and prayed to himself thus: O God, I thank you that I am not like other people, robbers, unjust, adulterers, or even like that tax collector there.
12
I fast twice a week and tithe everything I take in!
13
And the tax collector stood at a distance, not even daring to lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast and said, O God, be merciful to me, a sinner!
14
I say to you, this one went down to his house justified, unlike that one. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled; but whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
Luke 18:1-14

A brother once told me that in the course of your sanctification, you may begin to question whether you are a believer at all, because you realize more and more how bad you actually are.

In principle, we never know whether we are evaluating sin correctly. We know that love delights in truth and not in injustice. We know that the devil is the father of lies. We know that we changed dominions when we became believers and were sealed with the Holy Spirit. We know that the whole world is in evil.

What is this injustice and this lie in which love does not delight? What is evil in which love does not delight?

Love is not just love. We must recognize what love truly means.

Maybe sometimes we do know what sin is.

Momo97 · Aug 30, 2024

Maria Billingsley said:
Maria Billingsley said:

Love is holy, hate is evil.

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PS2: But we also grow in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
I'm already past a stage where I saw pretty much everything that was normal as sin. I was once afraid to eat a second scoop of ice cream because I thought I would go to hell. I was afraid of being full. I was afraid if I didn't pray for 1 minute. I was actually almost just afraid because almost everything was sin and I didn't understand grace.

I can't figure out the controls here. I don't even know why I'm telling you all this now.

Maria Billingsley said:
Love is holy, hate is evil.

PS: We don't know which sin consciousness is closer to the truth or whether you and I are closer to the truth

Momo97 said:
4 Love is long-suffering and kind; love does not envy; love does not boast; love does not puff itself up;

5 She is not immoral, she does not seek her own, she is not angered, she does not count evil;

6 She does not delight in unrighteousness, but she delights in the truth;

7 She bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
1 Cor 13:4-7

Do not love the world or what is in the world! If anyone loves the world, the Father's love is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but of the world.
1 John 2:15-16

4 Adulterers and adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity against God? So whoever wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God! 5 Or do you think that the Scripture speaks in vain? The spirit that dwells in us has a jealous desire; 6 but the grace that he gives is all the richer. Therefore he says, “God resists the proud; but to the humble he gives grace."[2]
James 4:4-6

13 No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will adhere to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon!
Luke 16:13

The fear of the LORD means hating evil; I hate pride and arrogance, the way of evil and a perverted mouth.
Proverbs 8:13

9 Let love be unfeigned! Hate evil, hold fast to good!
Romans 12:9

Love delights in the truth. Love does not delight in injustice.

9
And he also spoke this parable to some who trusted in themselves to be righteous and despised others:
10
Two people went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.
11
The Pharisee stood and prayed to himself thus: O God, I thank you that I am not like other people, robbers, unjust, adulterers, or even like that tax collector there.
12
I fast twice a week and tithe everything I take in!
13
And the tax collector stood at a distance, not even daring to lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast and said, O God, be merciful to me, a sinner!
14
I say to you, this one went down to his house justified, unlike that one. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled; but whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
Luke 18:1-14

A brother once told me that in the course of your sanctification, you may begin to question whether you are a believer at all, because you realize more and more how bad you actually are.

In principle, we never know whether we are evaluating sin correctly. We know that love delights in truth and not in injustice. We know that the devil is the father of lies. We know that we changed dominions when we became believers and were sealed with the Holy Spirit. We know that the whole world is in evil.

What is this injustice and this lie in which love does not delight? What is evil in which love does not delight?

Love is not just love. We must recognize what love truly means.

Maria Billingsley said:
Love is holy, hate is evil.

in different areas. But if you think you know better, then you must have realized something that I didn't. For that you have to

1) Understand my situation (questions help)
2) Have more knowledge and
3) Give myself this knowledge
So we can the

Maria Billingsley said:
Love is holy, hate is evil.

PS2: But we also grow in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. And what you described is already behind me. I was once afraid to eat a second scoop of ice cream because I thought I would go to hell.

Momo97 · Aug 30, 2024

Momo97 said:
I can't figure out the controls here. I don't even know why I'm telling you all this now.

PS: We don't know which sin consciousness is closer to the truth or whether you and I are closer to the truth

in different areas. But if you think you know better, then you must have realized something that I didn't. For that you have to

1) Understand my situation (questions help)
2) Have more knowledge and
3) Give myself this knowledge
So we can the

PS2: But we also grow in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. And what you described is already behind me. I was once afraid to eat a second scoop of ice cream because I thought I would go to hell.

but I still sin too much. That's why I don't know if I should give any advice at all. I don't even know if I can see. But if you can see, then you can help me. I had obsessive thoughts for months and recently I've learned to hate evil. I don't know if it has anything to do with it, but since I hated evil they've almost stopped. I have to learn this properly now.

Francis 1928 · Aug 31, 2024

Momo97 said:
PS2: Actually, I sin way too much.

So do I .Matter of fact I am almost convinc
ed that my resting place will not be heaven. I however thank God for the good things in my life ,such as my neices and nephews.The great relationship with my brothers,sister and sister and brother n law.My parents . My sins may not be reconcileable with Christ,but I love him more than anything and thank him for everyday above ground . Everyday is a gift . I have been hit by a forklift and walked away,I A Truck engine blew up in my face ,and I walked away with minor injuries.Our Lord has been good to me and I am grateful. Dont be down too much on yourself for sin.The good news is that God gives us the opportunity to improve everyday ,through his gift of gace and free will.

Momo97 · Aug 31, 2024

Francis 1928 said:
So do I .Matter of fact I am almost convinc
ed that my resting place will not be heaven. I however thank God for the good things in my life ,such as my neices and nephews.The great relationship with my brothers,sister and sister and brother n law.My parents . My sins may not be reconcileable with Christ,but I love him more than anything and thank him for everyday above ground . Everyday is a gift . I have been hit by a forklift and walked away,I A Truck engine blew up in my face ,and I walked away with minor injuries.Our Lord has been good to me and I am grateful. Dont be down too much on yourself for sin.The good news is that God gives us the opportunity to improve everyday ,through his gift of gace and free will.

"Matter of fact I am almost convinc
ed that my resting place will not be heaven."

>>>If you believe Jesus, that is evil because it is not the truth.

18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. 19 We love him, because he first loved us.
1.John 4:18

2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 2:1-2

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1.John 1:9

Momo97 · Aug 31, 2024

Momo97 said:
"Matter of fact I am almost convinc
ed that my resting place will not be heaven."

>>>If you believe Jesus, that is evil because it is not the truth.

18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. 19 We love him, because he first loved us.
1.John 4:18

2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 2:1-2

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1.John 1:9

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
john 5:24

Momo97 · Aug 31, 2024

ralliann said:
Maybe consider not all "law" is the Sinai covenant? Rather The law tells of the covenants.

The Sinai/Horeb covenant was not made with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob....
Deut 5:1And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them. {keep … : Heb. keep to do them }
2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.

Israel the nation was called out to bring judgement on the nations...
Ro 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

As Deuteronomy says Sinai was not made with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. But with the nation of Israel.
Rom 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

The law of faith from the beginning?
Heb 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

Gen 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,

26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.

28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Acts 15:24-29

Momo97 · Aug 31, 2024

Momo97 said:
24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,

26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.

28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Acts 15:24-29

PS: If reincarnation existed and Abraham's soul heard Jesus' words today, he would become a Christian.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Gal 3:29

Jews are not Christians. You are either Jewish or Christian. You can't be both.

Momo97 · Sep 1, 2024

Momo97 said:
PS: If reincarnation existed and Abraham's soul heard Jesus' words today, he would become a Christian.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Gal 3:29

Jews are not Christians. You are either Jewish or Christian. You can't be both.

PS2:

According to Scripture, GOD closed the Jews in unbelief in order to later have mercy on everyone:

Romans 11:1-36
11 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.

9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?

35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?

36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

Momo97 · Sep 1, 2024

Momo97 said:
PS2:

According to Scripture, GOD closed the Jews in unbelief in order to later have mercy on everyone:

Romans 11:1-36
11 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.

9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?

35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?

36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

PS3: I have no idea how the emoji got in there.

Momo97 · Sep 1, 2024

Momo97 said:
PS2:

According to Scripture, GOD closed the Jews in unbelief in order to later have mercy on everyone:

Romans 11:1-36
11 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.

9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?

35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?

36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things:

Momo97 said:

PS3: I have no idea how the emoji got in there.

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It's important to me to say that Israel is still God's beloved chosen people. (Romans 11:28)

Momo97 · Sep 1, 2024

Momo97 said:
24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,

26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.

28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Acts 15:24-29

PS4: Become a Christian!

5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?

8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.

9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

10 I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.

11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.

12 I would they were even cut off which trouble you.

13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Momo97 · Sep 1, 2024

Momo97 said:
PS4: Become a Christian!

5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?

8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.

9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

10 I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.

11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.

12 I would they were even cut off which trouble you.

13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

(Galater 5:5-14)

SandD · Sep 1, 2024

Momo97 said:
Hello!

I am looking for a very specific community.

I would like to agree on the following points of belief:

The Torah, Gospels and Epistles are objectively true and eternally valid. This means: All of the apostles' precepts were inspired by the Holy Spirit and apply just as much today as they did back then. If it was a shame then for a woman to pray or prophesy with her head uncovered, it is also a shame today for a woman to pray or prophesy with her head uncovered. And the believing men teach the believing women, not the other way around. Women are different than men and have different tasks than men. There are always exceptional situations in everything. For example, it may be right for a believing woman to preach to a group of unbelievers because there is no one else to tell them about Jesus.

As a believer you have security of salvation. But we must obey GOD. We should also be in awe of GOD. GOD still chastens today. We must not emphasize the security of salvation and neglect obedience.
We hate evil. The church should be discreet in the will of the LORD. We don't love the world. We do not like films that are not written by the Holy Spirit. Not because we were ordered to, but because we understood that it is evil to watch something like that for pleasure. We go into the world to bring people to Jesus. There is no good reason to go out into the world just to enjoy it. We hate the lie. We strive to do everything in love and to love all people. But we hate evil.

There should be the opportunity to have fellowship and study the Bible every day. It shouldn't be compulsory. But there should be the opportunity to read the Bible together every day and talk about Jesus and ask questions. We should be like a family.
We have realized that Jewish teachings that hear and reject Jesus' words and reject HIM as Messiah, as well as Islamic teachings, are leaven, but we do not rise above Jews and Muslims. We don't hate Jews or Muslims either. We hate heresies, not people. We want all people to come to the knowledge of the truth.
We do not elevate ourselves above anyone because all good things come from GOD and therefore we cannot be better than other people. Only JESUS is good. We were simply given grace. We don't know why HE chose us. We did not choose HIM, but HE chose us. When we sin, we do it on our own. I have no opinion on free will.

We are always looking for truth, want to develop further and can therefore change beliefs at any time when we receive new knowledge.

Perhaps speaking in tongues and interpreting them is still relevant today, perhaps it has become less or has stopped. I have no opinion on that. Maybe the spiritual gifts have diminished, maybe not. I think all of them are possible. We should not rule out any gifts in principle, but rather examine everything with the Bible so that the Holy Spirit can work. God's Word is the standard for testing. In any case, prophecy and knowledge still exist today. So we should continue to seek prophecy today. GOD is sovereign.

It should go without saying: any sexual intimacy is only permitted within marriage. As believers, we only marry believing Christians and they usually only marry once. If our spouse commits fornication or dies, we are allowed to marry again. I don't know if there are exceptions. If, for example, the spouse abuses the woman psychologically or physically or vice versa, then that could be an exception, I haven't thought about that yet. But then he's not a believer at all or he's lost his way and has to turn back.

The earth is only a few thousand years old. The theory of evolution is a heresy. GOD created everything from HIM and through HIM all things exist. There was no Big Bang. We have chosen the Bible as the objective truth. We don't believe there are many truths. We believe that the truth is a narrow path and there are many lies in the world. Anything that contradicts the Word of God is a lie. We need correct interpretation to know the truth. To understand the correct interpretation, we must remain in God's Word. We can be wrong. We don't know if we understood anything at all. We just trust.

Who can help me?

PS: I come from Germany and used Google Translate, there may be a few translation errors.

Momo.

With all that said, have you repented, been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins and receive the gift of the Holy Ghost?(per Acts 2:38)?

Momo97 · Sep 1, 2024

PS5:
So a few Israelites are believers due to the election of grace (like Paul) until GOD has mercy on Israel. But these few Israelites will all become Christians if they believe in GOD and hear Jesus' words

John 5:46-47

46For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.

47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Momo97 · Sep 1, 2024

SandD said:
With all that said, have you repented, been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins and receive the gift of the Holy Ghost?(per Acts 2:38)?

38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”

39 For the promise is to you and to your children and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God calls.
Acts 2:38-39

The Greek word translated here as “for” forgiveness of sins has the following meanings:

1. “so that” 2. “because, because of, as a result of 3. “in relation to, relating to.”

There are also incorrect interpretations due to translation errors.

Baptism does not save us:

By grace you are saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast.
Ephesians 2:8-9

Baptism is also not the reason we receive the Holy Spirit:

13 In whom also you trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom you also believed, after you had believed, with the Holy Spirit of promise,

14 This is the pledge of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of his glory.
Ephesians 1:13-14

Baptism, of course, is the natural consequence of grace through faith.

Momo97 · Sep 1, 2024

ralliann said:
Maybe consider not all "law" is the Sinai covenant? Rather The law tells of the covenants.

The Sinai/Horeb covenant was not made with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob....
Deut 5:1And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them. {keep … : Heb. keep to do them }
2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.

Israel the nation was called out to bring judgement on the nations...
Ro 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

As Deuteronomy says Sinai was not made with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. But with the nation of Israel.
Rom 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

The law of faith from the beginning?
Heb 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

Gen 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Momo97 said:
PS5:
So a few Israelites are believers due to the election of grace (like Paul) until GOD has mercy on Israel. But these few Israelites will all become Christians if they believe in GOD and hear Jesus' words

John 5:46-47

46For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.

47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

I'm sorry for teaching you. But you have to know this!

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