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Well, its funny. I find when I present constructs that demonstrate why God exists, they are disregarded in exchange for hard evidence. When I provide hard evidence of some kind of intelligence, it is disregarded as being attributable to chance, then people disbelieve in God due to a lack of evidence. Couldn't I believe my computer and internet connection is a result of chance and thusly disbelieve in Dell and AT&T?
Well, the definition of anarchy I've heard that sounds appealing, if not very easy to achieve, is that it is simply the elimination of hierarchy.
This sums up what I believe as well. I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one around here who seems to think this. I'm an atheist agorist "anarcho-capitalist"(put in brackets because it's the truest form of anarchy) voluntarism. I've read Rothbard, Konkin, Mises, Molyneux, and others.These artificial systems of organizing humans are based on myths, fairy tales (narratives) and outright falsehoods. I find zero truth value in anything political and anything religious. I tend to know what I want and I tend to know how to get it without anyone telling me explicitly how, or forcing me on a particular path.
The idea that we can make a psychic connection with a supernatural being by partaking in rituals and absorbing mind numbing dogma is insanity personified. Likewise, the idea that we must obey documents called "social contracts" and attempt to live our lives in accordance with principles of 'fairness' and 'justice' by forking over huge sums of money & resources to men we often never met a day in our life, is also insane. The heroes of society are moneyed, perverted, backstabbing vultures in suits with flag pins, selling us the path to some Platonic form of justice/fairness/security, and men wearing robes, walking around babbling to themselves about some vague, shriveled concept called 'god.' When will the madness end?
This sums up what I believe as well. I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one around here who seems to think this. I'm an atheist agorist "anarcho-capitalist"(put in brackets because it's the truest form of anarchy) voluntarism. I've read Rothbard, Konkin, Mises, Molyneux, and others.
I am an atheist anarchist
I am an atheist nihilist
I am an Atheist Transhumanist
I'm a Eudaimonist (and former Extropian transhumanist) who is on a nontheistic philosophical and spiritual path in life.
Wait. Didn't you use to be a geocentrist young earth creationist?
Could you tell what caused this pretty big shift in life-view? (I think it's relevant to the thread, and I'm honestly interested).
That's a good post.
Did your current anarchist views come as a (in)direct result of your deconversion? Or was anarchism something that you already investigated before your deconversion?
Yes. I've read A Non-Libertarian FAQ and honestly didn't find the arguments convincing. I could go over all of his criticisms and disagree with most of what he has to say within reason.You list a number of libertarian/anarchist writers; have you also read similar sized works that advocated other political systems, or that presented well-thought out critiques of libertarianism/anarchism?
Have you actually read any anarcho-capitalist literature (if so, what was the title of the book(s) or essay(s)?)?
Or are you just critiquing hearsay?
Criticizing hearsay pretty much. does "anarchy" not mean what i think it means?
edit: anyways the original poster did not identify as anarcho-capitalist, just strait anarchist.
Anarcho-capitalists, probably the most prevalent of the individualist anarchists, will tell you "real anarchism" is the application of the non-aggression principle (NAP), which states (roughly) that no individual or group of individuals has the right to initiate force or the threat thereof against any other individual or group of individuals. With no one violating this right, the State, the premiere institution that feeds on initiatory violence and the threats thereof, simply disappears. Thus, anarchism.
If there are no laws
then there are no laws against creating laws, nor are there laws against enforcing the arbitrary laws you created.
If people are free to do whatever they want, then they're also free to oppress others.
allowed by who? that's my key problem. who enforces the NAP? If there is no government there is no one to enforce the non-agression principle.There is one law in Anarchy, and that is that no person or group of persons may initiate the use of force against another individual or group of individuals. As soon as a person or group of persons has been allowed to do this, we no longer have anarchy but government.
In a stateless society people will be able to decide to have voluntary contracts with any competing dispute resolution organization[DRO] who themselves have connections with private police forces rather than to be forced to pay and accept the authority of the ultimate monopoly of power.
Or the ones who bully people into donations and work for bribes/kickbacks.The better DROs are the ones that the people tend to like and will live due to the fact that people continue to support them financially.
No. If people are evil and wish to oppress others then the greatest solution that we have at our disposal is a competing set of powers through anarchy.
The DROs that people have supported financially will not oppress their customers because they know that if they did that, their reputation would be ruined and their business would immediately be taken over by an honest DRO.
I think that all of my original criticisms of anarchy still stand if this is your definition of anarcho-capitalism. Simply, who enforces the NAP? It seems to be completely unenforcable. There will always be thugs, there will always be bullies in life. Making a principle stating "nobody should be aggressive towards anyone else"... that's not going to work, bullies and thugs don't give a damned about your principles. The only way to get rid of a thug is to find a bigger thug, I.E. the government.
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