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Hyperlink stings immoral??

cantata

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I was shocked at the FBI's new technique on snagging predators...

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-9899151-38.html?%255E$

How do you guys feel about this? Does it tread the line of entrapment?

Yes. It's inappropriate.

Curiosity, or shock at the advert being there at all, might simply get the better of you. Until you actually hand over money for child pornography, no one should come anywhere near your home.

It'd be cool if the page you got to said "BUSTED BY THE FBI, HA HA HA," though.
 
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Well, entrapment requires an officer convincing you to do something you wouldn't otherwise do, so I don't think this would be entrapment. But it's far too easy to abuse this by, for example, using an open wireless connection or using a URL redirection service.
 
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Immoral and suspect in court. I seriously doubt if someone who was actually caught for this would be able to be prosecuted because of the ease in arguing that it was a mis-click, that he mis-read the site title, or that he simply took it as marketing and not real child porn. Theres no real way to prove that it WASNT an accidental click.

If they really wanted to set this up, they would set up a pay site with such advertised content. Using a credit card and paying for access to a site that claimed to have child porn shows intention and forethought.
 
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Immoral and suspect in court. I seriously doubt if someone who was actually caught for this would be able to be prosecuted because of the ease in arguing that it was a mis-click, that he mis-read the site title, or that he simply took it as marketing and not real child porn. Theres no real way to prove that it WASNT an accidental click.

If they really wanted to set this up, they would set up a pay site with such advertised content. Using a credit card and paying for access to a site that claimed to have child porn shows intention and forethought.

I think the idea is that people who click the link are supposedly more likely to own child pornography, so that the police can then go and raid their house. No one is going to be convicted just for clicking, I don't think.

It's still a bad idea, though.
 
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According to the news story not quite linked in the OP, the "test case" defendant was found guilty of two charges. One of those charges was "attempted possession" of child porn, based on clicking the link. It was not just the basis of probable cause for the warrant, it was, in itself a felony.

The second charge was based on two thumbnails stored deep in the bowels of his web browsers inner workings. They indicate that one site that he was on at some time linked to something with pictures that appeared to be naked children in suggestive poses. There is no indication that he ever visited the page with the thumbnails, much less that he saw them. And absolutely no indication that he clicked on the links to those pictures.

It is possible that if the FBI went over your hard drive with a fine-toothed comb, they would find evidence of child porn, too. Prosecutors love child porn cases, because it is so easy to find evidence, and so easy to convict on the slightest bit of evidence. For them it's not about getting real predators out of circulation, but about scoring political points for being tough on "pornographers."

They are doing a disservice to the public by doing this. There are real child pornographers and child molesters out there who are getting away with murder (sometimes literally) because the prosecutors are concentrating on easy cases.
 
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Indeed. Seems that internet is the present "root of all evil". Everybody want to discover the erimes and offenders on the web, making easier for real-world criminals keep scaming people, and doing racists/hate crimes and preying over innocent ones.
Hopefully, soon they will start paying attention on both situations.
 
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According to the news story not quite linked in the OP, the "test case" defendant was found guilty of two charges. One of those charges was "attempted possession" of child porn, based on clicking the link. It was not just the basis of probable cause for the warrant, it was, in itself a felony.

The second charge was based on two thumbnails stored deep in the bowels of his web browsers inner workings. They indicate that one site that he was on at some time linked to something with pictures that appeared to be naked children in suggestive poses. There is no indication that he ever visited the page with the thumbnails, much less that he saw them. And absolutely no indication that he clicked on the links to those pictures.

It is possible that if the FBI went over your hard drive with a fine-toothed comb, they would find evidence of child porn, too. Prosecutors love child porn cases, because it is so easy to find evidence, and so easy to convict on the slightest bit of evidence. For them it's not about getting real predators out of circulation, but about scoring political points for being tough on "pornographers."

They are doing a disservice to the public by doing this. There are real child pornographers and child molesters out there who are getting away with murder (sometimes literally) because the prosecutors are concentrating on easy cases.

:thumbsup:

I know it's not popular to be opposed to anything that gives the appearance of bringing down pedophiles and those who profit by selling them children and their pictures but I think our tax dollars for criminal justice could be used much more effectively than on this type of sting.

A couple years ago my daughter got a lovely little download trojan on her machine -- I spent the weekend with hijack this weeding out all the stuff on her machine... there was a lot of little porn icons in there, and some of them definitely had the school girl look on them.

Years ago (in those days before everyone and their grandmother in the middle class world had access to the internet) a coworker of mine "confessed" to me that over the weekend using his brother in laws computer he had clicked on a pop up porn ad (To quote he said "I am embarrassed to admit, curiosity got the better of me") and found himself in pop up porn purgatory. When I told him there was a good chance "evidence" was left on the computer he turned quite a few colors I had never seen before, poor guy.
 
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Sheesh, couldn't the FBI just Rickroll them?

And to think that if this hadn't have been dealt with we could have lived in an age of Rickrolls where the punch line isn't an 80's music video but rather the FBI raiding your house. How fun.
 
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I am pretty sure that if you click that link and when they raid your house, they find no evidence that you have had searches for child porn before, you should be in the clear. Even if they choose to try to convict you, I am pretty sure you will win.

If not, somebody should find one of those sites and make a post on here saying something like "Did you hear, the pope just died, heres a link http://nytimes.com/article%122_34l "
 
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The scary part, to me, is how easy it can be to misclick. I've had times when my finger (or something else, sometimes from dropping something) has hit a mouse button and I've accidentally hit a link I had no interest in.

I have to agree that clicking on the link proves nothing and it's scary they will use it as evidence to justify a search. Even if they don't find anything, it is a huge inconvenience -- especially since they will likely seize your computer for a couple of weeks to thoroughly search it.
 
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Does anyone think that this could be another scare tactic by our beloved government?

This reminds me of when they first used the music download scare. Make an example out of a few to scare many.
 
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I remember reading about this a while ago (even started a thread, but don't know where it is :D )

The problem with a hyperlink sting is this.

New Version of Bible Software
Well this link might take you to some new Bible software, or it could take you to an FBI Sting ;)
 
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I am pretty sure that if you click that link and when they raid your house, they find no evidence that you have had searches for child porn before, you should be in the clear. Even if they choose to try to convict you, I am pretty sure you will win.

If not, somebody should find one of those sites and make a post on here saying something like "Did you hear, the pope just died, heres a link http://nytimes.com/article%122_34l "

Yes you may win, but at what cost ?
How much will you spend defending yourself ?
How much can you afford ?
I use my computers for work at home, being without them would cause me some serious problems.
How long do you think it would take the FBI to return my computers after searching them ?
What if I don't want to give them the passwords to my encrypted drives that contain source code for my job ?
 
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