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<blockquote data-quote="Mark Quayle" data-source="post: 76833127" data-attributes="member: 410020"><p>Instinctively, because it doesn't make sense.</p><p></p><p>But by reason, because there are only two kinds of things —those with intent, and mechanical fact. A mechanical fact, such as the Universe itself, does not come into being without cause. Nor can it be eternally self-existent as it depends on principles from outside itself to control its changes. (A computer follows a program). </p><p></p><p>Also, by reason, the fact that 'changing things' (becoming) demands 'something eternal' (that doesn't become). I don't remember if you watched the video linked in the OP of the thread, Philosophy: First Cause is. Everything else is becoming</p><p>I tried to do a synopsis of it in post #8 but it doesn't really do the video justice. It deals with this.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Can you describe this sum total that is not just mechanical fact? </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not at all. You continue with this nonsense. Why would God want to make 2+2=53,567 ? Again, you propose a bogus construct, and pretend it limits first cause. Really?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mark Quayle, post: 76833127, member: 410020"] Instinctively, because it doesn't make sense. But by reason, because there are only two kinds of things —those with intent, and mechanical fact. A mechanical fact, such as the Universe itself, does not come into being without cause. Nor can it be eternally self-existent as it depends on principles from outside itself to control its changes. (A computer follows a program). Also, by reason, the fact that 'changing things' (becoming) demands 'something eternal' (that doesn't become). I don't remember if you watched the video linked in the OP of the thread, Philosophy: First Cause is. Everything else is becoming I tried to do a synopsis of it in post #8 but it doesn't really do the video justice. It deals with this. Can you describe this sum total that is not just mechanical fact? Not at all. You continue with this nonsense. Why would God want to make 2+2=53,567 ? Again, you propose a bogus construct, and pretend it limits first cause. Really? [/QUOTE]
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