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Lord have mercy!
"they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus"
"They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus"
"be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ"
The reason I am pressing is that if we must be baptized to be saved then how important is it that it is done correctly? It is obvious that some would say that others aren't saved because they aren't baptized correctly. I don't believe that baptism is mandatory for salvation. Even though I was baptized.It amazes me people make an issue of this. Strain at gnats if we must, just don't swallow camels
I said it was the normal way for salvation.You can think what you like but I think there a lot of Christians who haven't been baptized, who are truly saved. It is not mandatory for salvation. You just said so.
There is not one instance in the NT of water baptism of anyone in the Name of the "Father, Son and Holy Spirit". Not one.
You wrote:If someone puts their faith in Christ but refuses to be baptized. Can they then be truly said to have put their faith in Christ if they refuse to do what he commands and use the normal method of salvation he has given them?
Far from being "pretty out there" Apollos is doing a great (and very patient) explanation of the belief of the vast majority of Christians, and has been the belief of the vast majority of Christians for 2,000 years.
Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit (Mt 28:19)
Baptism is the work of God.I realize that some denominations hold the belief that one must be baptized in order to be saved, but according to scripture, that is putting the cart before the horse. Baptism is a work and it follows belief. There are a vast number of Christians who believe that, also.
Baptism is how people become disciples. You proclaim the gospel and then baptise those that beleive.You notice that the baptizing comes after the making disciples part, right?
You wrote:
"Jesus instituted baptism as the means of salvation just before is ascension:"
Such is not the case. Salvation is by grace through faith.
Ephesians 2:8 (NKJV)
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
You can't earn salvation by your works.
Baptism is how you receive the grace.
It is a work. It is something you do.Baptism is not a work of man but a work of God - see my post to New Dawn above.
Baptism is the work of God.
In Baptism (with water):
This is not a dead work but the work of Christ who brings us into his kingdom out of darkness and the power of Satan.
- Our sins are forgiven
- we are born again, renewed, and made children of God
- we are incorporated into the body of Christ, the Church
- we are given the Holy Spirit
Baptism is how people become disciples. You proclaim the gospel and then baptise those that beleive.
He said to them, “Go into the whole world and proclaim the gospel to every creature. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved (Mk 16:15-16)
No way!
It is a work. It is something you do.
But belief comes before baptism. Salvation comes through the belief, therefore baptism is not a requirement for salvation (justification). Baptism is a commandment the Lord expects his follower to do, but it is not required for justification. It is part of sanctification.
It's something God does
So you're saying God baptizes us in water, personally? I don't get you at all.Can you forgive sins?
Can you renew yourself and make yourself a child of God?
Can you incorporate yourself into the body of Christ?
Can you get the Holy Spirit of your own power?
It's God's work
You're kidding, right? God baptizes us in water?
So you're saying God baptizes us in water, personally? I don't get you at all.
Paul says But you were washed [baptised], you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. (1Cor 6:11)
Baptism is pre-figured in the Old Testament. Peter gives us one example when he says about Noah and his family being saved through water. This prefigured baptism, which saves you now (2Pet 3:20-21). So baptism brings salvation.
Jesus himself associates baptism with salvation. Just before he ascends to heaven he said the apostles: Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved (Mk 16:16).
Jesus ties salvation to baptism in John 3:3-5
Jesus answered and said to him, Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born from above. Nicodemus said to him, How can a person once grown old be born again? Surely he cannot re-enter his mothers womb and be born again, can he? Jesus answered, Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit.
Jesus says we have to be born from above (v3) and indicates how this is to be done in verse 5 born of water and spirit.
In Acts 2:41 we learn: Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand persons were added that day. Added to what? Well, added to the Church, added to those saved as it tells us in verse 47: And every day the Lord added to their number those who were being saved.
The scriptural evidence is clear.
This was also the understanding of the early Church. The following two quotes come from apostolic times.
[FONT="]A man is dead before he receives the seal, he puts off death and receives life. The seal, therefore is water. The dead go down into the water and come out of it living The Shepherd 9:16:3 (AD 80)
This means that we go down into the water full of sins and foulness, and we come up, bearing fruit in our hearts, fear and hope in Jesus in the Spirit. Letter to Barnabus chap 11 (70-131 AD)
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As I said to Apollos, you are reading your own personal bias into the scriptures. Being "born again" was a new concept with Christ, and when Nicodemus heard him use that phrase, his natural inclination was to think of his physical birth. Christ likened spiritual birth to physical birth in that passage. You can believe all you want that that passage is about baptism, but baptism is not mentioned at all there.
Yes, the scriptures are clear. They are clear that belief preceeds baptism, and they are also clear that salvation accompanies belief. Therefore, salvation preceeds baptism, also.
Jesus said
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved
Sounds simple to me. Do you have an alternative explanation?
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