How to treat LGBTQ+?

The crime of the LGBTQ+ community is that it supports equality. But so do most Christians. And so do most people in the West. You can't have true equality if people are stuck in a certain sex.

While you sleep, revolutionary forces under the banner of equality hide behind LGBTQ+, minorities and women. In this world everybody ends up with equal stuff. What did you think equality means?

The LGBTQ+ movement is a mere symptom that many societies have gone off the rails. Did you know that 70% of the world's population live in countries with below replacement births? In South Korea the birth rate is .84 births per woman in 2020. It needs to be at least 2.1. In China it's 1.28. In India it's 2.05. It's 1.64 for the US.

Women are so busy being equal that they forgot to have babies.

No doubt that punishment is coming for LGBTQ+. The rest of us will be included in that punishment.

tonychanyt said:

What makes you so sure?

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Because I read the news. I can see that punishment is coming to all of us. No special punishment for LGBT but they get what we get.

tonychanyt said:

I think homosexual intercourse is a sin and I do not support the practice of it. I think each believer should follow his own conscience in how to answer this question. Let God's peace guide you. I leave the eternal judgment to God and live in peace with God, myself, and everyone else.
Concerning the issue of transgender, is it a sin?
I don't think the feeling itself is a sin. As for transgender expression or behavior, I don't know. In any case, we are called to glorify God in our lives.
In Toronto, I have attended churches that are LGBTQ+ friendly and hugged gay people. I saw the Pride Parade. I think many of them are nice people. In Toronto, there are quite a few churches that are officially LGBTQ friendly and some are headed by gay pastors.

I sat through sermons delivered by gay pastors multiple times. 95% of the time, it was no different from a sermon delivered by a non-gay pastor. In fact, one church surprised me in that it was my 4th visit before I realized that the pastor was gay! This rainbow church was very family oriented. The majority of the congregation were straight people with kids. They didn't make a special point of it.

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Bottom line, 1 Corinthians 13:

13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.​

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Love rejoices with the truth (1 Co 13:6).

See also Transgender people have higher death rates than their cis gender peers.

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We must protect the purity of the congregation, for sin spreads like a disease (1 Co 5:11-13).

The NT is clear on the sin of homsexuality (Ro 1:24-27).
The sin of it is the sexual practice of it. Apart from that practice, it is not sin.

God's creation order is no small matter, and violation of it is likewise no small matter.
The consequences of its violation will be devastating over time.

Matt5 said:

Women are so busy being equal that they forgot to have babies.

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We didn't forget. We got to make choices.

I'll grant that a sudden population crash is hard on retirees, and that's something we have to figure out. But otherwise I don't see a problem with a slow decline in population. We could (slowly, gradually) drop down to a level of 3 or 4 billion and be fine.

The answer is quite simple, because Jesus gave us a straightforward commandment to follow.

Love your neighbor as yourself. That is the entirety of the Law (Galatians 5:14).

That commandment doesn't come with any attachments or conditions. It says what it means and means what it says. "If you love Me you will obey My commandments". Says the Lord. If we love Him, if we love God, then we will love our neighbor as our self--our neighbor made in God's image.

St. John in his epistle warns us what the alternative is. Love is the only acceptable action toward others for the Christian. That does not mean being wishy-washy and impassionate. It means to be an active doer of love toward others.

If they are hungry, give them food.
If they are thirsty, give them drink.
If they need medicine, take them to the doctor.
If they are naked, clothe them.
If they are homeless, shelter them.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. How do you want to be treated? Well then, treat others exactly that same way.

And "whatever you have done to the least of these you have done it unto Me."

-CryptoLutheran

I suppose when Christians on the one hand negate any applicability of God's Torah/Instruction/Law and thus on the other hand support sin, such things become difficult to reason. But those who truly read and let God's Word say what it says, don't end up with confusion on such matters.

I'm going to use the YLT version here because it translates a couple words more literally than other translations do:

YLT 1Cor6:9-11 have ye not known that the unrighteous the reign of God shall not inherit? be not led astray; neither whoremongers, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, the reign of God shall inherit. 11 And certain of you were these! but ye were washed, but ye were sanctified, but ye were declared righteous, in the name of the Lord Jesus, and in the Spirit of our God.

• In verse 9 "effeminate [men]" - the unrighteous - will not inherit God's Kingdom.
• In verse 11 Christians were cleansed of this unrighteousness.
• If a "Christian" is supporting such behavior in any way, then this "Christian" is enabling the loss of God's Kingdom for such an individual.
  • This is not love of neighbor.
    • Love of neighbor is OC Torah carried into the NC era.
    • Love of neighbor from Lev19:18 is written in a couplet that includes rebuking a sinful neighbor.
    • Tolerating sin is not Love of neighbor. It is hatred of neighbor and God.

NET Deut22:5 A woman must not wear men's clothing,15 nor should a man dress up in women's clothing, for anyone who does this is offensive 16 to the LORD your God.

• What was offensive - literally in Hebrew; abomination, abhorrent, and in Greek disgusting, detestable - is now OK?

When a Christian writes about "gay pastors" and such things of which there is no such thing Biblically - 1Cor6:9-11 should be sufficient to instruct this & we can add the instruction about the qualifications for church servant-leaders - the unrighteous are not the servant-leaders of the righteous in Christ - then such Christian has bought into the lie.

Romans1 explains that the proliferation of all this sinful behavior is God's Judgment in process. It is not so much that the judgment is for the behavior as it is that the expanding behavior is evidence of the judgement taking place.

• Part of the process outlined in Rom1 instructs that there are those who do not glorify God as God and are not thankful to Him. God thus ultimately sees their minds as being worthless and He hands them over to themselves. The epitome of this handing over is detailed as homosexual behavior and then as the instruction proceeds it speaks against those who support it. It is all covered under descriptors of unrighteousness and godlessness and suppressing the truth in unrighteousness.
• This is what Christians tolerating such behavior is all about. In the name of Love, they're the supporters and pushers of judgment that will affect multitudes. They are supporting the suppression of truth - truth that God exists, and all humanity is responsible to Him.

It needs to be recognized that these sins are listed among additional sinful behaviors that we do not tolerate. They can be read very clearly in Scripture like 1Cor6 and Gal5 and the end of Rom1. They're not special. They're simply sin. which is lawlessness, unrighteousness, disobedience to God, hatred of God, and the absolute opposite of Love for God, neighbor and one another. It is also the absolute opposite of Faith in God and the Lord of Heaven and earth - Jesus Christ.

Ever heard the saying, As goes the Church, so goes the nation? Those who have lived awhile and pay at least some attention can see very clearly that the problems are big and expanding. Those who have lived awhile and let God say and mean what He says have some insight as to why this is.

Clare73 said:

Love rejoices with the truth (1 Co 13:6).

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Agreed and there is such thing as to love in truth (1John3:18, 2John1, 3John1). Love apart from truth is not Love.

Clare73 said:

We must protect the purity of the congregation, for sin spreads like a disease (1 Co 5:11-13).

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Agreed. Agreed again.

Clare73 said:

The NT is clear on the sin of homsexuality (Ro 1:24-27).

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Agreed and a few other Scriptures have been referenced and effeminate men has been added for this OP.

Clare73 said:

The sin of it is the sexual practice of it. Apart from that practice, it is not sin.

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Disagreed. You've heard it said...but I tell you (Matthew5). And it is only in Christ that this malady can be fixed. It has always been about circumcision of heart beyond flesh. Actual righteousness and not hypocrisy (acting). Truth.

Clare73 said:

God's creation order is no small matter, and violation of it is likewise no small matter.
The consequences of its violation will be devastating over time.

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Absolutely agreed.

And it is God that is under attack and thus God's creation and created order. The proliferation of the sin(s) under discussion here are attacks against God and God's creation and order in "kinds". One has to be blind to not realize this was never simply about sex and marriage, etc. This descent doesn't stop until all is fair game - absolute lawlessness. If you're not watching, children are now the topic. The rate of descent has been increasing exponentially.

Thanks for the stand @Clare73. Few seem to understand Love in truth or worship/bow in obeisance to God in Spirit and Truth (John4).

GDL said:

Ever heard the saying, As goes the Church, so goes the nation?

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The question for us - Christians - is why is the Rom1 judgment of the godless and related spread of sexual deviancy obviously growing exponentially in this time?

IMO it's answered in Rom2:24 and context. I'd add at minimum 1Peter4:17 and context. Sobering. As goes the Church...

It's the same as all those who have sex with multiple partners. Who go on dating sites to have one night stands. By worldly standards people are supposed to have a "healthy sex life" regardless of marriage.

The church doesn't support that kind of activity. If an unmarried couple goes to a pastor or priest, and tells him they are fornicating, the pastor or priest will tell them they need to stop because they're sinning.

Likewise the church doesn't support Wicca (witchcraft) and other occult practices.

There's no reason why it should be any different for LGBT.

We could even make lgbt free zones around schools.

Divide said:

We could even make lgbt free zones around schools.

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That's tricky for the gay students who attend the school.

Paul distinguishes between those in and of this world and those who called brethren when it comes to more specifically avoiding keeping company between the two here

1 Cr 5:9-10 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters;
for then must ye needs go out of the world.

1 Cr 5:11-12 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

1 Cr 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without?
do not ye judge them that are within?

1 Cr 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth.
Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

Writing again in the second letter to the Corinths, in 2 Cr 2:6 Paul still leaves room for repentance telling those who followed obediently what he told them in putting away such a one (1 Cr 5:1) to affirm their love for him again. So that contrariwise ye ought rather to forgive him, and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one should be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow. (2 Cr 2:7)

PloverWing said:

That's tricky for the gay students who attend the school.

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Ok but they have to ride the short bus.