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That would be better than unevidenced assertions.I assume you prefer your evidence to be "objective". Meaning the evidence presented must be absolutely objective and not a product of someone's subjective mind, correct?
I am not looking for absolutes. I am only looking for a high degree of accuracy.Well when this absolute objective evidence is presented to you, you still have to use your subjective mind to comprehend that absolute objective evidence, correct? Well our minds can't comprehend absolutes, which is why even if absolutely objective evidence is presented, you still have to "believe" it's absolute objective evidence because you can't be absolutely certain of this absolute objective evidence. If you could be absolutely certain of absolute objective evidence then what's stopping you from knowing absolutely everything there is to know? The answer is that your subjective mind is what's stopping you from knowing absolutely everything there is to know.
And how do you know this?I believe only God can know absolutely everything there is to know.
No, I cannot. Belief is not a choice; I need convincing arguments or evidence; I cannot choose to believe like I would choose what to have for breakfast.With all that said, you can either choose to believe what I believe
You don't eat food?or you can continue not believing what I believe and in reality I have no say in the matter, but I continue to respond because I'm powered by love.
This was your best? All you did was repeatedly assert that you were right.Actually, whether you believe it or not your powered by the same thing, you just need to recognize where love comes from and I've done my best to show you,
For what will I be judged?but if you still can't see it, then I'm leaving it to God to deal with you. Remember God is merciful, but He's also the ultimate judge.
The "Christian" God both communicates with, and has an effect on humans. The universe definitely has a tangible effect on humans, and a living universe that operates on EM fields, much like the intelligent structures of our brains, just might help to explain that communication process, perhaps even in purely empirical terms. I don't see why not. As long as you don't mistake the little sliver of the universe that is visible to us from Earth, I really don't see why not.
You didn't "think" about anything. You basically handwaved it away without any consideration at all, pretty much just like I figured.
That's not true. Pickup any book in any bookstore related to someone's experiences of God. I recommend Autobiography of a Yogi if the New Testament doesn't float your boat.
Er, ok.
It's certainly there. It's certainly shaped like the intelligent and aware structures that form inside of intelligent beings on Earth. It's electromagnetic in nature just like humans.
Do you actually think that astronomers can show that dark energy exists or that it has some effect on photons in empirical lab tests or something? The *cause/effect relationship is often assumed* in "science'. Often the *effect* is all there is to work with in "science'. In this case I'm offering you a tangible way for the process to take place, and a tangible way to 'test' it in controlled experimentation.
You're basically applying a *non scientific* standard to the topic of God. Why?
Keep it in your own threads, Michael.FYI, the *function* of those plasma filaments are exactly the same as the *function* of neutrons, namely they act as *conductors* of electrical current. It's not just a *visual* similarity, it's a *functional* one as well, but go ahead and handwave away.
Different goalposts.
His post implied that modern cosmology was limited to atheism and scientists. What I implied back, and say to you: if you cannot convince your fellow Christians of the veracity of your personal cosmology claims, why take it to the unbelievers? Sort it out among yourselves.
You sentence is semantically broken. Do those that do not collect stamps have a consensus on everything that they believe/lack belief in?
I will say, we need to be careful what "boxes" we put God in. God never claims in the Bible that His mind is the universe. God also never claims in the Bible that He is absolute consciousness. These are ideas that God has allowed us to think, but we should not confuse these ideas with the one True God who is beyond all of our "ideas". I believe the only "box" God wants to be in is our hearts and He's made this possible through Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.
Hebrews 4:12
"For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart."
That would be better than unevidenced assertions.
I am not looking for absolutes. I am only looking for a high degree of accuracy.
And how do you know this?
No, I cannot. Belief is not a choice; I need convincing arguments or evidence; I cannot choose to believe like I would choose what to have for breakfast.
You don't eat food?
This was your best? All you did was repeatedly assert that you were right.
For what will I be judged?
I hear you on the point about not trying to put God into boxes, and I certainly don't profess to understand the totality of God. I'm simply looking for one logical, possible, and empirical explanation for *some* of the experiences and things which we attribute to "God". My faith in God isn't limited to, nor dependent upon the scientific validity of Panentheism, it's based on my faith in the teachings of Christ, and the experiences they've led to in my life.
This is not a "fact".I'm going to leave you with this scripture because I think the fact that God has put this in the Bible
I know of this. Religionists often prey on the down-and-out.is actually a great blessing in disguise to those who do not believe because it clearly states that you are being deceived by the god of this world, which is the devil. The fact that you can't recognize that you're being deceived clearly shows that you are blinded, just remember this as you continue through life's trials because you may reach a point where all hope is lost and I pray you'll know where to turn.
Of course the writers of the bible will claim that the unbelievers cannot see what is supposedly there. I would not think them stupid.2 Corinthians 4:4
"In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God."
Not if all I see are unevidenced assertions like this.I believe you will eventually see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
Of course the writers of the bible will claim that the unbelievers cannot see what is supposedly there. I would not think them stupid.
Not if all I see are unevidenced assertions like this.
I assume you prefer your evidence to be "objective". Meaning the evidence presented must be absolutely objective and not a product of someone's subjective mind, correct?
Well when this absolute objective evidence is presented to you, you still have to use your subjective mind to comprehend that absolute objective evidence, correct? Well our minds can't comprehend absolutes, which is why even if absolutely objective evidence is presented, you still have to "believe" it's absolute objective evidence because you can't be absolutely certain of this absolute objective evidence. If you could be absolutely certain of absolute objective evidence then what's stopping you from knowing absolutely everything there is to know? The answer is that your subjective mind is what's stopping you from knowing absolutely everything there is to know.
I believe only God can know absolutely everything there is to know.
With all that said, you can either choose to believe what I believe or you can continue not believing what I believe and in reality I have no say in the matter, but I continue to respond because I'm powered by love.
Actually, whether you believe it or not your powered by the same thing, you just need to recognize where love comes from and I've done my best to show you, but if you still can't see it, then I'm leaving it to God to deal with you. Remember God is merciful, but He's also the ultimate judge.
If I said that a specific rock weighed 5 kg, do you think you could objectively test that rock to see if it comes close to matching my claim?
I would think that you are powered by ATP just like the rest of us. Anyway, if you can't present evidence for your beliefs, what compelling reason is there for believing them?
Again, those are assertions with no evidence to back them.
This is not a "fact".
I know of this. Religionists often prey on the down-and-out.
Of course the writers of the bible will claim that the unbelievers cannot see what is supposedly there. I would not think them stupid.
Not if all I see are unevidenced assertions like this.
No, it is not a fact as you cannot demonstrate that it comports with reality.Chriliman - "I'm going to leave you with this scripture because I think the fact that God has put this in the Bible"
Good catch, it's not a "fact" to you because you don't believe it, it is a "fact" to me because I believe it.
Or the power of circular reasoning.I think you're beginning to understand the power of belief.
Why then pick on the down-and-out? Why go after people when they are at their weakest and most vulnerable? When they will grasp at straw?I'm not sure why you think helping someone in need could be thought of as "preying" on them...seems like an evil thought to me.
The inability of religionists such as yourself to demonstrate that what they claim is an accurate description or reality.If you don't think their stupid, do you think they are smart? If they are smart, why don't you respect what they say?
When you assert your beliefs as truth without substantiation, they become assertions. It is you that makes them so.Again, not assertions, but rather beliefs.
No, it is not a fact as you cannot demonstrate that it comports with reality.
Or the power of circular reasoning.
Why then pick on the down-and-out? Why go after people when they are at their weakest and most vulnerable? When they will grasp at straw?
When you assert your beliefs as truth without substantiation, they become assertions. It is you that makes them so.
But that's all they are. I'm sorry you're unable to accept this, as it has prevented us from moving forward with this discussion.
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