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Well if you ever decide to become a Christian, the first thing God will deal with is your spiteful attitude. (FYI).No I'm not atheist. At the moment I don't know what I believe. But its none of your business anyway. Also just an fyi, spellcheck will help you spell the word "A T H E I S T" correctly
I'm done with you.Your attempt at prayer was not a belief, it was unbelief and is what I was trying to point out to you.
It wasn't an argument, it was a statement. I clearly drew the line at trying to convince you. Does not mean I didn't continue relaying the truth of Gods word in the rest of the post.
I know.
No, I tried to tell you why you didn't get an answer to your prayer. You never provided my quotes to show I told you what you believe either, all I did was point out your unbelief. And you keep twisting everything I say, even though I've provided your quotes in my posts that I've responded to. Again, you have no basis for your report as I haven't accused you of anything, I stated facts regarding faith and you are the one in denial of your own words in your own posts. Only your unbelieving friends have attacked me on your behalf, any person with any integrity wouldn't respond the way you have in such a spiteful way.
I am justified because you started saying my belief is a just a belief, then turned and accused me of judging you for your unbelief. It's just not accurate in the context of our conversation.
Neither was I.
I was directing my post at the OP as a fellow believer, not non-believers like yourself. You and 3 others responded to my OP, yet It had nothing to do with you.
I never stated your reasons for being an atheist I stated the reasons many turn away from God, and I queried if you had experienced the same thing. You making me repeat myself is not proving your point, it's showing you have assumed I said something I didn't say.
You keep proving my point of not being interested in understanding Christianity. (As you claimed you were on this website to do).
Try watching delafe testimonies on YouTube.
Sharing of the Gospel is never asked for, but God commands that we do.
Here we go emphasising words out of context again. I've already explained my initial error, and therefore I don't have to explain it again. See my previous post.
It's called auto correct. *eye roll* My phone does it automatically when I don't hit the letters right. But maybe I shouldn't have bothered attempting keyboard etiquette since you misinterpret and twist everything I say anyway.
No I couldn't care less what you think of me.unlike you, I'm not spiteful or hateful.
It was sarcasm. See what I meant about not understanding you were calling me an arrogant Christian? Sarcasm doesn't compute well in writing, does it.
Yes I definitely have and it's a sad fact of Gods word that not everyone will be saved. I just have to live with that.
Have a nice life.
Spiteful attitude? She was pointing out an error! If you chose to take it as rudeness, then that's on you. But she wasn't rude to you, just as you weren't rude to Ruthie. She was trying to help you by pointing out an error so you could avoid making the same error in the future.Well if you ever decide to become a Christian, the first thing God will deal with is your spiteful attitude. (FYI).
I'm done with you.
Your rudeness has driven me further from Christianity than I was before. Well done.
Spiteful attitude? She was pointing out an error! If you chose to take it as rudeness, then that's on you. But she wasn't rude to you, just as you weren't rude to Ruthie. She was trying to help you by pointing out an error so you could avoid making the same error in the future.
Bye bye.
Perhaps you could give us an example of someone who lost his faith in WW1 or WW2 and stayed faithless?Likewise, as usual.
The comparison was in terms of supernatural belief, particularly in intelligent non-human agency. The point was that, as a child, I had no trouble believing that they were real (until they proved to be otherwise). IOW, I had no inability or resistance to belief in supernatural agency.You can't compare these things with God because he's not imaginary. (Contrary to popular opinion).
Yes, I've read it - at least the parts considered important; it was a necessary part of one's education. The stories were good, I got the moral lessons, I thought some of what Jesus said made a lot of sense (and wondered why no-one followed it). The core doctrinal parts never really made much sense to me.Not true. The Holy Bible is Gods word. Have you read it? Do you understand that when Jesus died on the cross, the veil was torn - so prayer/confession etc, we can do directly between ourselves and God? We can come "boldly to the throne of grace". (That's a hint by the way.) Jesus is the bridge - no denominations or religious practices can add to, take away or replace the word of God.
'Sack of meat' is a pretty disparaging term for any animal. The human body has its flaws, but it's an amazing product of 3.5 -4 billion years of evolution. If you had studied the human body and brain at a degree level, as I have done, I don't think you'd use that phrase.So you believe you're a sack of meat and when you die that's it? In the ground never to be of any use or relevance ever again? Nothing beyond your physical life? That's a pretty sad.
I'm not saying it's not a belief, just that it's a different kind of belief, and therefore there's a difference. I thought you'd already agreed to that.No .. the differnce is still demonstrably a belief because there's no objective evidence supporting it, (even if the logical reasoning and intent behind that difference is sound, which it doesn't have to be).
Could you say why it's different?I'm not saying it's not a belief, just that it's a different kind of belief, and therefore there's a difference. I thought you'd already agreed to that.
I know what your comparison meant. But you wouldn't say such things if you've experienced the reality of demons, which is where these false ideologies come from. But I'm not trying to convince you saying this, I'm just stating the facts of Gods word.The comparison was in terms of supernatural belief, particularly in intelligent non-human agency. The point was that, as a child, I had no trouble believing that they were real (until they proved to be otherwise). IOW, I had no inability or resistance to belief in supernatural agency.
I understand that, I also believed in these things as well. But deep in my heart I always believed in God as well (even though he never seemed to answer my prayers) but I also grew up in religion and wasn't taught that Jesus is God (not just Gods Son). Once I realised what the cross meant and came to saving faith in Jesus, is when he has answered almost every single prayer. God is good, but he's not a genie and every prayer answered is according to HIS will.On reflection, I think I believed in them because they consistently and reliably lived up to (and sometimes exceeded) the claims made for them. Even when I hadn't been particularly good (in my own view), Santa still came through. The Tooth Fairy always swapped the tooth under my pillow for the correct coinage. Clear evidence of personal connection.
Yes the man-made Church has distorted the word of God for centuries and led many away from God, it is sad. I believe God is drawing people to him in this time as you only have to see the countless testimonies of faith around the world in the past few years. Not to cause you offence, but I'm going to pray that he does that for you.OTOH, the claims made for God were never realised, from my POV. No response to prayers, no sense of presence, no reassuring inner voice, etc. - and the people that said they believed seemed no different to anyone else; not kinder, not friendlier or happier, and the monks - supposedly the holiest - were worst of all. It actually came as a relief in my teens when I realised I just didn't believe and didn't have to worry about any of that stuff anymore.
Again this is often the case with kids indoctrinated in religion. I wondered the same things and believed a lot of churchgoers were hypocrites. I developed my own belief about God until I was corrected.Yes, I've read it - at least the parts considered important; it was a necessary part of one's education. The stories were good, I got the moral lessons, I thought some of what Jesus said made a lot of sense (and wondered why no-one followed it). The core doctrinal parts never really made much sense to me.
Ah ha! I was excited that you had a wonderful answer to my question but then'Sack of meat' is a pretty disparaging term for any animal. The human body has its flaws, but it's an amazing product of 3.5 -4 billion years of evolution. If you had studied the human body and brain at a degree level, as I have done, I don't think you'd use that phrase.
Lack of evidence is not a good reason to believe you have no ultimate purpose on earth or in the kingdom of God. But I understand where you're at, because many people are there. They create their own idea of what the purpose of their life is and don't know that God has so much more planned for them...if only we are willing.. thank you for your genuine explanation of why you came to unbelief, I pray the love of God draws you to himself and you will never be the same again.But yes, the evidence clearly indicates that we're born, we live, and then we die, and that's an end to it. I didn't exist at all before my parents had me, and I won't exist except as remains of some sort, and in the memories of others, once I'm dead. It's sad when you lose a loved one, and it's hard to conceive of non-existence. I expect that's partly why despite the lack of evidence, belief in an afterlife has been so universal and persistent over time. Wishful thinking.
And they would likely say that of you. Others would say it's all the same God, but different, equally valid interpretations. Meh.If anyone believes in a God other than the Holy Bible, they're following the wrong God.
OK.I had to come to this realisation before I came to Christ. Satan is very much at work in the world today now as he was at the beginning. He's blinded the world to God, but worse, he's blinded the world to himself, even some of the Christian community don't understand the source of where true evil comes from anymore.
Redundant as unnecessary and unwarranted. It's not cynicism, it's an evidence-based view. We don't know where our universe came from. We can infer from current observations that it was once in a very hot, dense, and uniform state, then expanded rapidly, cooling and condensing into the matter that forms stars and galaxies, etc.Intelligent design "redundant"? That's a cynical view to take. Knowing a house didn't just appear out of thin air, and having the understanding that, although you may not know the builder, there was still someone who built the house is not a poor analogy. It's pointing you to a simple truth. Our universe didn't just appear out of thin air without a builder.
Not for long... Years ago I liked to visit cemeteries when I travelled to see what the oldest grave was and I would see many family members buried together (as is the case) I would wonder what they were like, what their life was like and realised many hadn't had a visitor to their grave for years and they were overgrown. I couldn't imagine an existence without God now that I know him, or what would be the point of this existence we call life? It's certainly something to think about.Memories of who we were, and what we made our lives stand for, persist in our remaining friends/family's/community's minds.
We made a conscious reality persist beyond our death.
So you don't think the design of the universe and everything in it that we understand about it so far is sophisticated? OK. But I bet humans could never replicate itRedundant as unnecessary and unwarranted. It's not cynicism, it's an evidence-based view. We don't know where our universe came from. We can infer from current observations that it was once in a very hot, dense, and uniform state, then expanded rapidly, cooling and condensing into the matter that forms stars and galaxies, etc.
You're right, I haven't experienced the 'reality' of demons; now I feel sorry for you...I know what your comparison meant. But you wouldn't say such things if you've experienced the reality of demons, which is where these false ideologies come from.
Oh yes; we used to hear that a lot - and, as you just demonstrated, we still do. When we asked "Why didn't God answer our prayer?" we'd get "He did, but in His own way", or "He doesn't answer every prayer", or "That's not the sort of prayer He answers", "He's very busy", or "You weren't sincere", and so on.Once I realised what the cross meant and came to saving faith in Jesus, is when he has answered almost every single prayer. God is good, but he's not a genie and every prayer answered is according to HIS will.
Whatever.Yes the man-made Church has distorted the word of God for centuries and led many away from God, it is sad. I believe God is drawing people to him in this time as you only have to see the countless testimonies of faith around the world in the past few years. Not to cause you offence, but I'm going to pray that he does that for you.
Sorry to disappoint you. I agree that it's superficially unappealing, but it does make life something very special. It used to puzzle me why those who made a lot of noise about the wonders of the afterlife would fight so hard to avoid it!Ah ha! I was excited that you had a wonderful answer to my question but then
You said this.
I refer you to my sig (below).Lack of evidence is not a good reason to believe you have no ultimate purpose on earth or in the kingdom of God. But I understand where you're at, because many people are there. They create their own idea of what the purpose of their life is and don't know that God has so much more planned for them...if only we are willing..
You're welcome; although since I don't think I ever really believed, it's more a case of why I never came to believe. This is one of the reasons I spend time here - I'm curious to know why religious belief 'takes' for some but not for others.thank you for your genuine explanation of why you came to unbelief...
I didn't say that (why do you do that? I notice you don't like it when people do it to you).So you don't think the design of the universe and everything in it that we understand about it so far is sophisticated?
No, indeed not. But we've modelled its cosmology in computer simulations, and we use the simple principle underlying evolution (reproduction with heritable variation, and selection) in computers to produce useful 'designs' that no human would have, or could have.OK. But I bet humans could never replicate it
Said scientist gave a personalA Christian scientist a few years ago told me that GOD was beyond science so people had to approach HIM based upon faith, like, he is outside of space and time. GOD is an immaterial spirit, right?
Some people have used logic and science, including archaeology and math, to argue away the existence of GOD per say, but not all scientists are atheists. Some of them actually do believe in GOD.
Dad says that complexity of human DNA proves that there is an intelligent creator behind the existence of mankind. He points to that as evidence of GOD and of his faith.
Some of these university professors, who have PHDs and a lot of education under their belt, like to say that GOD does not exist because its not smart or something like that.
Well, I was born pretty smart (for a human) and I still believed anyway. So why does belief in God possibly make me stupid? It does not is what I am saying.
For someone who, unlike me, won't believe on their own and they need, like, science to try and help them find GOD, what should I say to them? Is there any scientific evidence to support GOD?
I don't think GOD can actually be found by science. Science deals strictly with the earthly realm, or with what can be seen visibly, so if one is going to find HIM they have to step outside of this world based upon faith.
So GOD is an immaterial spirit, meaning HE is not confined to what can be seen and measured, HE is beyond all of it. Therefore science is unable to either prove or disprove HIS existence. And it probably never will prove HIS existence anyway.
We doubt any soldier in his foxhole thinksSorry to disappoint you. I agree that it's superficially unappealing, but it does make life something very special. It used to puzzle me why those who made a lot of noise about the wonders of the afterlife would fight so hard to avoid it!
I do the same. But that's not exactly what I was attempting to get at.I would accept claims from texts (there's no reason for me to have to accept an entire text or none of it).
I would accept those claims for which there is independent and verifiable evidence. Such as coins minted with the person's face on them, letters written by the person, sources that come from the time that the person actually lived which detail the things that the person did...
I'm not disputing your right to post. Just pointing out that, by forum rules, posts should be on topic. Also, in case the inclination comes, apologetics are also not allowed in the science sub-forums.Read the OP's entire post again and don't cherry-pick. I had a right to post on this thread just as much as you do.since you've bought this up again, did you answer the OP's question? You do realise she was wondering how to witness to unbelievers don't you?
Well, that's a somewhat extreme example, but it fits my point - so why not? Why is it only the extreme fanatics, and then only for a sacred cause (and a promise of virgins)?We doubt any soldier in his foxhole thinks
" Terrif, I'm about to get e-ternal life"
when he sees the tanks coming.
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