How to prove that GOD exists from a scientific point of view?

Hans Blaster · Dec 6, 2022

Pipp@ said:
Then why did you respond to my post to the OP? and why did you tell me my beliefs have no place in this forum if you don't care?

My first reply to you was about your creationist claim. A claim I have seen over and over and over again. And so I replied to it. Christianity doesn't require creationism. I was a Christian for a long time before I met an actual creationist. (That I knew of.) No one ever tried teaching it in any church I ever went to.

Pipp@ said:
If true "Christianity" was so easy to understand then there wouldn't be a billion unbelievers.

Or perhaps they just find it unbelievable. I did.

YahuahSaves · Dec 7, 2022

Hans Blaster said:
My first reply to you was about your creationist claim.

What, that God created everything? I don’t know what kind of church you went to but it's always been in the Holy Bible.

Kylie · Dec 7, 2022

Pipp@ said:
Then why did you respond to my post to the OP? and why did you tell me my beliefs have no place in this forum if you don't care?

Because this is a forum for physical and life sciences, and religious faith isn't either of those.

If you started talking about computer repairs in a cooking and recipe forums, you'd likely get similar responses.

Pipp@ said:
Fair enough, you're entitled to your opinions.

Like Jesus said in Matthew 13 when using the parable of the farmer scattering seed:

For they look, but they don’t really see.
They hear, but they don’t really listen or understand.

14 This fulfills the prophecy of Isaiah that says,

‘When you hear what I say,
you will not understand.
When you see what I do,
you will not comprehend.
15 For the hearts of these people are hardened,
and their ears cannot hear,
and they have closed their eyes—
so their eyes cannot see,
and their ears cannot hear,
and their hearts cannot understand,
and they cannot turn to me
and let me heal them.’

The fact that someone says, "Why won't they listen to me so they can see I'm right?" does not mean that person is actually right.

YahuahSaves · Dec 7, 2022

Kylie said:
Because this is a forum for physical and life sciences, and religious faith isn't either of those.

If you started talking about computer repairs in a cooking and recipe forums, you'd likely get similar responses.

That's irrelevant because you're on a Christian website.

Kylie said:
The fact that someone says, "Why won't they listen to me so they can see I'm right?" does not mean that person is actually right.

No, actually I was pointing out that Jesus was right.

Hans Blaster · Dec 7, 2022

Pipp@ said:
What, that God created everything? I don’t know what kind of church you went to but it's always been in the Holy Bible.

I replied to this creationist trope you quoted from an unnamed "evangelist":

Pipp@ said:
What did humans ever create that even comes close to creation? Like a popular YouTube evangelist likes to say: "Nothing could not have created Everything".

Now it's perfectly normal that you have no idea how vacuous that quote is. It arises from a mocking by these creationists of things they probably don't understand because it implies incorrectly that scientific view of origins rely on "something from nothing." Of course many of them do actually (eventually) know this but they repeat this trope because they find it a useful way to snipe at the scientific ideas that threaten their theological constructions. (Dishonesty is rampant among the professional creationists.)

YahuahSaves · Dec 7, 2022

Hans Blaster said:
Now it's perfectly normal that you have no idea how vacuous that quote is. It arises from a mocking by these creationists of things they probably don't understand because it implies incorrectly that scientific view of origins rely on "something from nothing." Of course many of them do actually (eventually) know this but they repeat this trope because they find it a useful way to snipe at the scientific ideas that threaten their theological constructions. (Dishonesty is rampant among the professional creationists.)

OK that makes perfect sense now you put it that way.

I don't particularly have an interest in scientific theory other than a few documentaries I've watched over the years. It's certainly not beneath me, to see and hear what we humans are learning about the world around us. If we didn't have that, many humans would still believe the earth is flat (I know there are some that still believe that, but let's not go there).

When I've heard of the big bang theory though, it's not so much they believe nothing was behind it, but they just don't know. I quoted the evangelist because the line can often get people to think. If someone builds a house, we may not know who the builder was, but we know the house didn't appear out of thin air. Hence, in the same way, why we should arrive at the conclusion there is someone behind the design of creation.

Kylie · Dec 7, 2022

Pipp@ said:
That's irrelevant because you're on a Christian website.

So? This part of the website is intended for the discussion of physical and life SCIENCES. That's not Christianity, nor religion of any kind.

Pipp@ said:
No, actually I was pointing out that Jesus was right.

That's circular logic.

YahuahSaves · Dec 7, 2022

Kylie said:
So? This part of the website is intended for the discussion of physical and life SCIENCES. That's not Christianity, nor religion of any kind.

Read the OP again...it's the reason I'm in your "section".

Kylie said:
That's circular logic.

How so?

AV1611VET · Dec 7, 2022

Again, I feel compelled to ask you guys who say you were once a Christian, but now are not:

Why is it you gave up all this ...

Psalm 34:8 O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.

Psalm 51:12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.

Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

... to embrace atheism?

Or should I assume you weren't saved in the first place?

It's like someone saying, "I gave up all my money to become poor," then going around challenging people to show evidence where their purchasing power comes from.

Kylie · Dec 7, 2022

Pipp@ said:
Read the OP again...it's the reason I'm in your "section".

Yes, SCIENTIFIC evidence for God's existence. As such, any arguments based on religious faith aren't what the OP is looking for.

Pipp@ said:
How so?

Because you are assuming that Jesus said that in order to show that he existed in order to say that.

Kylie · Dec 7, 2022

AV1611VET said:
Again, I feel compelled to ask you guys who say you were once a Christian, but now are not:

Why is it you gave up all this ...

Psalm 34:8 O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.

Psalm 51:12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.

Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

... to embrace atheism?

Or should I assume you weren't saved in the first place?

It's like someone saying, "I gave up all my money to become poor," then going around challenging people to show evidence where their purchasing power comes from.

Why do you immediately try to associate atheism with poverty? Poisoning the well, are you?

AV1611VET · Dec 7, 2022

Kylie said:
Yes, SCIENTIFIC evidence for God's existence.

Merry Christmas

AV1611VET · Dec 7, 2022

Kylie said:
Why do you immediately try to associate atheism with poverty? Poisoning the well, are you?

LOL

Don't concentrate on the example, or you'll miss the point I made.

Kylie · Dec 7, 2022

AV1611VET said:
LOL

Don't concentrate on the example, or you'll miss the point I made.

I saw the point you were trying to make. As usual, you start with the assumption that atheists are inferior to believers.

AV1611VET said:
Merry Christmas

I love this. You butt into a conversation you weren't a part of just to admit you can't actually address the point I raised.

YahuahSaves · Dec 7, 2022

Kylie said:
Yes, SCIENTIFIC evidence for God's existence. As such, any arguments based on religious faith aren't what the OP is looking for.

I responded based on what the OP said (below).
Why do you bother trying to argue me down by belittling my belief in Jesus? Why do you care so much what I have to say?
I have just as much a valid point to contribute to this post as you do, whether you agree or not.
The hypocrisy is astounding.

JacquelineDeane55 said:
Christian scientist a few years ago told me that GOD was beyond science so people had to approach HIM based upon faith, like, he is outside of space and time. GOD is an immaterial spirit, right?

Kylie said:
Because you are assuming that Jesus said that in order to show that he existed in order to say that.

what?

He not only existed, he does exist.
Just because your spiritual eyes haven't been opened yet doesn't make what I say untrue.
Read the Gospel by itself, everything Jesus did and said in his ministry on earth and tell me what is so upsetting. Then maybe we can have a meaningful discussion.

stevevw · Dec 7, 2022

FrumiousBandersnatch said:
Fundamentally, objective reality is a product of some brute fact; it is what we test with our observations, and the results give us correlations with the predictions of our hypotheses that enable us to model it, both in our subjective model of reality and in our scientific models of reality.

No; knowledge depends on the information we get from our senses (our observations); it is indirect. We construe that information as reflecting aspects of external reality and test our predictions against it. Our models are limited because our ability to develop and test them is limited, and when our predictions are not tested, or not tested well, or the results of those tests are misinterpreted in various ways, our subjective (or scientific) models of reality will go their own sweet ways.

You're making the mistake of reifying consciousness again. Consciousness is a certain kind of activity that brains indulge in. Boltzmann brains are not programmed but are the product of random fluctuations. Those are the assumptions behind the Boltzmann brain thought experiment. If you insist on the assumption that consciousness is beyond any natural process, you won't understand it.

‘It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.’ - Aristotle

I like Selfsim's reply. lol

Astrid · Dec 7, 2022

Pipp@ said:
Not my intention to appear snipping or insulting - FYI this is exactly how your posts appear to be all throughout this site.

I'm genuinely trying to understand the intentions of self-proclaimed atheists engaging on a Christian forum and expecting their "sub-forum" of the sciences to be "off limits" to the Christians and their bibles, like it is your own little playground. It seems counter-intuitive. Why not find an atheistic forum where you won’t be bothered by a Christians input?

If I find myself fascinated by something, I
make every effort to understand it, rather
than ignoring what is said, or interposing some
idea of my own so as to block any information
that comes to me. It's a matter of intellectual
integrity something I hold in highest value.

My first comment was to point out that you
misread intent, which is NOT to "discredit
Christianity" a feat quite impossible to
achieve. Nobody is attempting it.

You give no hint of having read that still less of
understand or accepting this simple fact

Please respond to that. I can then determine if
there is occasion to try to clear up your other
misapprehensions about atheists.

AV1611VET · Dec 7, 2022

Kylie said:
I saw the point you were trying to make. As usual, you start with the assumption that atheists are inferior to believers.

I wouldn't expect anyone who has never been saved to understand what I'm talking about.

For those who got saved though, and have experienced all those benefits of salvation, then gave them up, I do expect them to understand what I'm talking about.

They usually like to talk about how they were saved at one time, then gave it up when science came into the picture.

But then they suddenly get lockjaw when someone asks them a simple question as to why they gave up so many benefits and don't want to talk about it.

AV1611VET · Dec 7, 2022

Estrid said:
If I find myself fascinated by something, I make every effort to understand it, rather than ignoring what is said, or interposing some idea of my own so as to block any information that comes to me. It's a matter of intellectual
integrity something I hold in highest value.

Is that why you put me on IGNORE when I gave my opinion as to where the Flood waters went?

Instead of exercising your "intellectual integrity" and asking me about it, you sent me to "ig city"?

And you want Pipp to believe you "make every effort to understand"?

Riiiiight.

SelfSim · Dec 7, 2022

stevevw said:
I like Selfsim's reply. lol

Don't like it too much .. Unlike yourself, I don't make any desperate grabs for beliefs in things like consciousness existing independently from our own in the universe.

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